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  • AP: Cubana Crashes on Takeoff From Havana

    HAVANA (AP) — Cuban media say a Boeing 737 operated by state airline Cubana has crashed on takeoff from Jose Marti International Airport in Havana with 104 passengers on board. There was no immediate word on casualties.

    https://apnews.com/917ca2ff1c834c1088c1cd93f3946900

  • #2
    Very sad news on the island. Seems to have been one of this

    https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/Ea...(Global%20Air)


    Seems that only 3 passengers survived

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    • #3
      It seems to be this 737-200:
      XA-UHZ
      https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/keyword/XA-UHZ

      AvHerald says it is an Global Aerolineas Damojh airplane on behalf of Cubana de Aviacion performing flight CU-972 / DMJ-972

      I have no idea what is the relationship between Cubana, Global Aerolineas Damojh, Easy Sky and Global Air.

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      • #4
        TOPMS woulda helped?
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
          TOPMS woulda helped?
          It looks line not. The plane crashed hundreds of feet to the side of the RWY, it doesn't look like they run out of runway, unless the plane run out of runway, took off, and then did a 180.

          http://avherald.com/h?article=4b8bfb2d&opt=0

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
            It looks line not. The plane crashed hundreds of feet to the side of the RWY, it doesn't look like they run out of runway, unless the plane run out of runway, took off, and then did a 180.

            http://avherald.com/h?article=4b8bfb2d&opt=0
            I wonder if we will hear an intermittent warning sound on the CVR that can only mean one of two things and is probably not the cabin altitude warning...

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            • #7
              A quick search did not provide a precedent on type with this result although Indian 491, LAPA 3142, Lion 386, and Indian VT-EAL are kinda-sorta similar
              moving quickly in air

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              • #8
                Originally posted by orangehuggy View Post
                A quick search did not provide a precedent on type with this result although Indian 113, LAPA 3142, Lion 386, and Indian VT-EAL are kinda-sorta similar
                Indian 491 not Indian 113, sorry
                moving quickly in air

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                • #9
                  Hey guys, what the F are you talking about?
                  Take off configuration warning???
                  Similar to LAPA??? Similar in what regard other that it was a 737 200 that crashed on take-off?
                  Let me remind you that the Concord also crashed on take-off, so maybe this was similar to the Concord crash? Or AA 191???

                  Any reason to believe that this was a flapless take-off or anything similar?????

                  If the AvHerald location (see picture in my previous post) is anywhere nearly correct, that is almost impossible.
                  The plane crashed some 1500 ft to the SIDE of the runway!!!!

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                  • #10
                    I was not saying a flapless takeoff happened, just found some 732s that crashed on initial takeoff (not climb) and not due to obviously impertinent causes (eg snow/ice) that's all, just for some references.
                    moving quickly in air

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                    • #11
                      Speculation:

                      1. Failure of Engine 2 + inadequate management thereof causing right turn and stall, crash, burn.

                      Or

                      2. Control failure causing extreme right turn, crash, burn.

                      Or

                      3. On board explosive device.

                      Or

                      4. Meteorite clips right wing causing uncontrolled right turn and crash (Possibly a subset of 2).
                      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                        3. On board explosive device.
                        Not unless they found a passenger door embedded into the ground.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                          Speculation:

                          1. Failure of Engine 2 + inadequate management thereof causing right turn and stall, crash, burn.
                          NY Times reporting that this was a wet lease to Cubana and the Mexican crew may have been a bit soggy (got "lost in the air" on a previous flight)...

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                          • #14
                            though they are notoriously unreliable, 1 alleged eyewitness said the plane "burst into flames" prior to the crash.

                            1 black box recovered.

                            i'm guessing that not much truth will come out of whatever investigation is done. communist, state-owned airline.....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
                              though they are notoriously unreliable, 1 alleged eyewitness said the plane "burst into flames" prior to the crash.

                              1 black box recovered.

                              i'm guessing that not much truth will come out of whatever investigation is done. communist, state-owned airline.....
                              Actually the operator was a Mexican airline on behalf of Cubana. Mexico sent investigators and I hope that the NTSB and Boeing will be allowed to participate to, being this a Boeing airplane.

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