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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostNo. In certain circumstances, a controlled crash into a mountainside can be survivable. The prospect is not good, of course, but the chances are better than a spin and a vertical crash at the bottom.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
Have you seen this mountainside? There was no way to pilot out of this one, once the pilots had piloted themselves into it.
While I didn’t make the suggestion, it seems a lot smarter than reducing power and spinning in. I do concur that something was lacking with this bunch- perhaps they were too accustomed to having after-burners.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
Brilliant statement! Proves my point about your knowledge of actual pilotage.
What would BoeingBobby do (aside from never being there in the first place)?
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
Well, share some of your brilliance with me. You are approaching that pass. A gust knocks your airspeed out from under you and you enter a stall. You can't climb. You can't turn. You can't descend. You can't power out of it.
What would BoeingBobby do (aside from never being there in the first place)?
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
Pretty sure I said a descending turn. Drop the nose pick up the airspeed and turn at the same time. Not that difficult a manuver.
But, never mind- All pilots cowboys, especially ex-military. Pilots bad, ban all airplanes or make them autonomous.
Now, for those interested in discussion, did I read somewhere that they may have been too hemmed in to turn (or almost too hemmed in)???Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
Pretty sure I said a descending turn. Drop the nose pick up the airspeed and turn at the same time. Not that difficult a manuver.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostNow, for those interested in discussion, did I read somewhere that they may have been too hemmed in to turn (or almost too hemmed in)???
On 4 August 2018, a historic Junkers Ju 52 commercial aircraft, operated by Ju-Air, crashed near Flims in the Swiss Alps. All 20 people on board lost their l...
Also according to the official investigation, they still had a reserve or engine power that they did not use.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
Pretty sure I said a descending turn. Drop the nose pick up the airspeed and turn at the same time. Not that difficult a manuver.
And you're going to fly out of that? I'd really like to learn how that is done.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
Not sure what " hemmed" is.
Figure of speech.
Hemming is a sewing operation on folded fabric...if you are inside the fold and stitched area you are “hemmed in” to a tight area and can’t get out.
You can also be hemmed in in a tight parking place and unable to open the door- or in a middle seat in third class on an airliner...or in a 737-Max Lavatory.
Thank you for confirming my fuzzy memory that they were too hemmed in (too tight) to allow for a “180” like Bobby describes.
I still vote with you- full power, Vx INSTEAD OF powering back AND pulling up...Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
Specifically, BoeingBobby, your altitude is 125m at the onset of stall. At the onset of stall you were already in a negative flight path angle. At stall entry you are in an increasing left-hand turn, which continues to increase despite significant right aileron.
And you're going to fly out of that? I'd really like to learn how that is done.
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