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    http://avherald.com/h?article=4bff5d1e&opt=0

  • #2
    Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    What decisions?

    I see an honest, gusty crosswind- some tailwind component, but the crosswind is nothing that doesn’t regularly occur.

    Av Herald [Edit: On the day of this posting] doesn’t say much as to why they went off the end
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 3WE View Post
      What decisions?

      I see an honest, gusty crosswind- some tailwind component, but the crosswind is nothing that doesn’t regularly occur.

      Av Herald doesn’t say much as to why they went off the end
      Let's see here, short (very for a 74) runway, TW component, offered the other runway and turned it down, probably landed long, can't wait to hear what he had set for auto-brakes.

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      • #4
        Ahhh, sarcasm.

        Short runway and tailwind, and longer runway available.

        At least decide to plant it timely...even though parlour talking amateurs will admonish the Pilots for not choosing a better runway.
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #5
          Tailwind component was 5 to 8 knots. Sure that was not the only factor causing the plane to overrun to 50, not 100, not 200 but 600 ft.

          --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
          --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
            Tailwind component was 5 to 8 knots. Sure that was not the only factor causing the plane to overrun to 50, not 100, not 200 but 600 ft.
            At what runway length?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Evan View Post
              At what runway length?
              Never mind. 5 to 8 knots of tailwind will NEVER be the only or even main reason why the plane overruns the runway by 600 ft at ANY runway length.
              It may increase the overrun distance just a bit, but not anywhere close to 600 ft. Remove one zero.

              --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
              --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Evan View Post
                At what runway length?
                600 feet less than necessary!
                Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                Eric Law

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                • #9
                  Just heard from a friend there that the same Captain in the same aircraft went off the end of the runway in Honolulu earlier this year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                    Just heard from a friend there that the same Captain in the same aircraft went off the end of the runway in Honolulu earlier this year.
                    Kinda eye rolling.

                    Shall I enter brakes-that-don't-quite-work-right and a-maintenance-department-that-doesn't-really-fix-them-to-the-best-of-standards (combined) as one of the possible contributing factors...

                    ...or is the dude a doofus who would probably be better replaced by me or Gabe and our whopping 300 total hours.
                    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                      Just heard from a friend there that the same Captain in the same aircraft went off the end of the runway in Honolulu earlier this year.
                      Persistent.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
                        Persistent.
                        Or consistent?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                          offered the other runway and turned it down
                          ...which was almost 3000' longer and would have had the wind 30 degrees off the nose. WTF??

                          Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNrMFiqnc0Q
                          Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                          Eric Law

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                          • #14
                            From the comments on that video:
                            I landed on RWY 14 about 3 hours before this happened. It was pretty bad weather raining with gusting winds in excess of 30 knots almost direct crosswind. The reason they did not land on 23 is because the ILS was inop and the lightning system for that runway was also not functioning.
                            Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                            Eric Law

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elaw View Post
                              ...which was almost 3000' longer and would have had the wind 30 degrees off the nose. WTF??
                              Interesting stuff there...

                              It seems that the weather and inoperative ILS and lights may have supported the short runway with the tailwind, ASS-uming the arithmetic supported the runway as long enough.

                              We now need to figure out how much runway they should have needed, if they touched down decently and if all 6000 PSI went straight to the brake pads.
                              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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