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  • Cause of AF1441 touch-and-go at CDG on Nov 27th, 2018?

    On Nov 27th, 2018, an Air France Airbus A321-212, registration F-GTAZ, performed flight AF1441 AMS-CDG.

    Arriving at CDG the plane's main gear had already touched the runway when a re-start was initiated by the flight crew. After flying one circle the plane landed without further event on the same runway.

    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...940Z/EHAM/LFPG

    During the circle the flight crew announced to the passengers that the go-around happenend because something was on the runway, without any further explanations.

    AVherald does not cover this case yet.

    How to find out more details? I would like to get to know how serious the situation was.
    Is there a public database where reports about incidents are filed and accessible?

    SpaceDoc
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  • #2
    Originally posted by SpaceDoc View Post
    On Nov 27th, 2018, an Air France Airbus A321-212, registration F-GTAZ, performed flight AF1441 AMS-CDG.

    Arriving at CDG the plane's main gear had already touched the runway when a re-start was initiated by the flight crew. After flying one circle the plane landed without further event on the same runway.

    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...940Z/EHAM/LFPG

    During the circle the flight crew announced to the passengers that the go-around happenend because something was on the runway, without any further explanations.

    AVherald does not cover this case yet.

    How to find out more details? I would like to get to know how serious the situation was.
    Is there a public database where reports about incidents are filed and accessible?

    SpaceDoc
    .
    Go awound, go awound. There is a wabbit on the wonway!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SpaceDoc View Post
      On Nov 27th, 2018, an Air France Airbus A321-212, registration F-GTAZ, performed flight AF1441 AMS-CDG.

      Arriving at CDG the plane's main gear had already touched the runway when a re-start was initiated by the flight crew. After flying one circle the plane landed without further event on the same runway.

      https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...940Z/EHAM/LFPG

      During the circle the flight crew announced to the passengers that the go-around happenend because something was on the runway, without any further explanations.

      AVherald does not cover this case yet.

      How to find out more details? I would like to get to know how serious the situation was.
      Is there a public database where reports about incidents are filed and accessible?

      SpaceDoc
      .

      Parbleu! A rabbit!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
        Go awound, go awound. There is a wabbit on the wonway!
        Still, getting the mains on the runway before spotting 'something' there seems fairly serious, no? Late go around? Too little separation?

        Where do you stand on continuing past DH on an ample runway where the plane ahead has not yet vacated?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Evan View Post
          Still, getting the mains on the runway before spotting 'something' there seems fairly serious, no? Late go around? Too little separation?

          Where do you stand on continuing past DH on an ample runway where the plane ahead has not yet vacated?
          Oh, Dear Krishna, this should be good!

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          • #6
            Maybe they just touched down too far down the runway. What was the weather like? I think if they touched too far down, didn't like the length left to stop and decided to go around, doesn't seem that serious to me?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Schwartz View Post
              Maybe they just touched down too far down the runway. What was the weather like? I think if they touched too far down, didn't like the length left to stop and decided to go around, doesn't seem that serious to me?
              That was my first though went we went up again. I would not be alarmed by this. [Weather was not that bad, overcast, but the runway clear under the clouds.]

              But then: the pilot announced that we had to go around because 'there was something on the runway'. :-/

              Therefore my question: finding out what was there and how serious/dangerous this actually was.

              SpaceDoc

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SpaceDoc View Post
                That was my first though went we went up again. I would not be alarmed by this. [Weather was not that bad, overcast, but the runway clear under the clouds.]

                But then: the pilot announced that we had to go around because 'there was something on the runway'. :-/

                Therefore my question: finding out what was there and how serious/dangerous this actually was.

                SpaceDoc
                Sounds like you were extraordinarily lucky to have escaped with your very lives, what with having been both on an Airbus and on Air France.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
                  Sounds like you were extraordinarily lucky to have escaped with your very lives, what with having been both on an Airbus and on Air France.
                  And a giant wabbit on the wonway!

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                  • #10
                    .....and ATC asking “Hmmm, what’s up doc ?”
                    If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SpaceDoc View Post
                      That was my first though went we went up again. I would not be alarmed by this. [Weather was not that bad, overcast, but the runway clear under the clouds.]

                      But then: the pilot announced that we had to go around because 'there was something on the runway'. :-/

                      Therefore my question: finding out what was there and how serious/dangerous this actually was.

                      SpaceDoc
                      Might have sighted something, some debris perhaps, and played it safe. Anything large should have prompted the go-around while still in the air. Did the plane derotate (nose gear down) or did it just touch the main gear?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        Might have sighted something, some debris perhaps, and played it safe. Anything large should have prompted the go-around while still in the air. Did the plane derotate (nose gear down) or did it just touch the main gear?
                        derotate, I like it! Although I do not believe it is a real word. But if the President can make up words I guess it's okay for you as well.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Evan View Post
                          Might have sighted something, some debris perhaps, and played it safe. Anything large should have prompted the go-around while still in the air. Did the plane derotate (nose gear down) or did it just touch the main gear?
                          Or did it at least start to derotate, and if so, how far did the NLG make it down? How many AOA probes were operational? What was the status of guarded switches?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                            derotate, I like it! Although I do not believe it is a real word. But if the President can make up words I guess it's okay for you as well.
                            I guess there's always more to learn:

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYEuEkZYYic

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                              .....and ATC asking “Hmmm, what’s up doc ?”

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