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  • #61
    Originally posted by vaztr View Post
    Any more news from the NTSB on this crash?
    None that I heard.

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    --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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    • #62
      I was under the impression the NTSB were going to update 'us' with more info a week after the CVR and FDR were found

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      • #63
        Originally posted by vaztr View Post
        I was under the impression the NTSB were going to update 'us' with more info a week after the CVR and FDR were found
        NTSB has committed to releasing the CVR transcript as soon as the public docket is opened. More info here:

        https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ca19ma086.aspx

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        • #64
          Since no one has mentioned it yet - any thoughts on the rumored "CVR leak" from all the other forums? Is it just someone trying to troll everyone else?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Black Ram View Post
            Since no one has mentioned it yet - any thoughts on the rumored "CVR leak" from all the other forums? Is it just someone trying to troll everyone else?
            And what might the rumors be? I have not seen any.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
              And what might the rumors be? I have not seen any.
              From someone new in one of the forums (which seems to have been copy-pasted to other forums):

              Got this info from my airlines unofficial forum. Unofficial of course .

              The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Black Ram View Post
                From someone new in one of the forums (which seems to have been copy-pasted to other forums):
                Almost verbatim to what I have been told. Thanks for posting it.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                  Almost verbatim to what I have been told. Thanks for posting it.
                  I thought Your Mightiness was not at liberty to discuss this incident...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
                    I thought Your Mightiness was not at liberty to discuss this incident...
                    Was told that it was okay to release or I would not have.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                      Was told that it was okay to release or I would not have.
                      Much relieved.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                        Almost verbatim to what I have been told. Thanks for posting it.
                        Thanks for confirming. Not sure why the NTSB hasn't released this info. Or why it got leaked.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Black Ram View Post
                          Not sure why the NTSB hasn't released this info.
                          Hopefully the document referenced below goes some way to answering that question.

                          https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...R_Handbook.pdf

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                          • #73
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                            • #74
                              14.3. Per 49 USC Section1114(c), a factual report with a transcript is released to the public
                              only under the following circumstances (see 49 USC Section 1114(c)–Disclosure,
                              availability, and use of information).
                              14.3.1. In the event that a public hearing is held, the CVR factual report with the attached
                              transcript shall be released into the public docket at the time of the public hearing.
                              The general public, including parties to the investigation, may not receive the CVR
                              transcript prior to the time of the public hearing.
                              14.3.2. In the event that a public hearing is not held, the CVR factual report is released into
                              the public docket only when the majority of the factual reports are placed into the
                              docket. The general public, including parties to the investigation, may not receive the
                              CVR transcript prior to the time the transcript is placed into the public docket.

                              --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                              --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                              • #75
                                The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200í. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didnít engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I wonít get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I wonít get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking.
                                Last I checked, those thrust levers are servo-driven. Did no one notice them surge forward or think to bring them back? Did anyone even have a hand on them?
                                This looks like another perfectly tragic lesson in the supreme power of startle factor and situational confusion. Not that we needed another lesson.

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