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Originally posted by TeeVee View Postyou're kidding, right? 85% of everyone that flies has absolutely zero clue on the airlines' fleets. you and many others here have ranted on and on many times for many years, that the flying public buys by price and could care less about everything else.
Sure, there are those who ONLY look at price, but I think many people who are flying to marginal parts of the world or on low cost carriers ask themselves the safety question. "What is Lion Air? Never heard of them... Are they safe to fly on?" And then they might ask around or go to the airline website. A brand new fleet of Boeing's latest, cutting-edge 737's is certainly going to make them feel better about that mystery airline. In fact, I think it might make them feel completely confident. I have friends who ask me about particular airlines when travelling in dubious parts of the world. Ironically, one of them asked me about Ethiopian several years ago. She was seriously concerned. I reassured her that they were considered one of the safest options...
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Former NTSB chairman James E. Hall's opinion of the FAA.
Former NTSB chairman James E. Hall's opinion of the FAA.
In the NYTimes:
James E. Hall: The 737 Max Is Grounded, No Thanks to the F.A.A.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/o...-grounded.html
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI do not remember a fleet ever being grounded because two brand new aircraft of a brand new type crashed within six months due to reported flight-control issues that led to a complete loss of control, killing all on board. I agree, this is unprecedented.
This assumes that certain airlines and pilots are ABSOLUTELY immune from falling into the same trap. That's uh... pretty black and white...
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostDo you have some information that we don't?
I am sorry but we will not agree here. A second crash due to a MCAS failure that could have been controlled by just following the trim runaway memory items just should have never happened. If we cannot trust humans to control a MCAS excursion, then we cannot trust them to control any excursions that can happen in a plane at any moment and we really need to ban all airplanes.
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This is a bit disturbing:
[Yesterday] The Canadian transport minister said that based on satellite data he had reviewed, M.C.A.S. may have played a role.
Q: Assuming it is readable at all, how long does it take to read out the solid-state memory card from a damaged DFDR? Especially under such urgent circumstances with certain countries still allowing the planes to remain in service...
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI don't think so. We both know two brand new aircraft of the same brand new type have crashed within six months. We both know the CEO of Ethiopian has publically stated that the pilot reported flight control issues.
That's a bit premature, don't you think? There were a lot of people—I think you were one of them—faulting the 'bewildering' cascade of failures on the AF-447 A330 for contributing to the confusion of the crew. How confusing was the Lion Air situation? How prone to tunnelling and confirmation bias was it? The sequence reportedly began with an unreliable airspeed indication (there have been reports that this also occurred during the latest crash). How many trim runaway events are accompanied by UAS? Is that not potentially disorienting? Are you are taking human factors into account here?
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThis is a bit disturbing:
Q: If the BEA has the flight recorder data, why does the Canadian transport media have to rely on satellite data? Are they not yet sharing it with CAA's in other countries? Or have they not yet read it out?
Q: Assuming it is readable at all, how long does it take to read out the solid-state memory card from a damaged DFDR? Especially under such urgent circumstances with certain countries still allowing the planes to remain in service...
The Canadian authorities did not have any information on the contents of the recorders when they took the decision, and neither did Trump or the FAA.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostOnly yesterday the Ethiopian authorities requested BEA's help to read out the CVR and FDR, and BEA accepted. They might just arrived to BEA or even be on their way at this moment.
Originally posted by CNNThe BEA said that "technical work" was scheduled to begin Friday.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostSounds like you have it all figured out!
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This is from todays AW newsletter:
A point of clarification we have reported previously that I should have included in the original story above: while the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) is not triggered via pilot input, it is only active during manual flight with flaps up.
Thought it might of interest to some of you.
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Originally posted by Highkeas View PostThis is from todays AW newsletter:
A point of clarification we have reported previously that I should have included in the original story above: while the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) is not triggered via pilot input, it is only active during manual flight with flaps up.
Thought it might of interest to some of you.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostOnly yesterday the Ethiopian authorities requested BEA's help to read out the CVR and FDR, and BEA accepted. They might just arrived to BEA or even be on their way at this moment.
The Canadian authorities did not have any information on the contents of the recorders when they took the decision, and neither did Trump or the FAA.
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Okay I am sure you have been inundated but tell me what you know about MCAS and if you think this is what caused either of the two
Sup, yes, I think it definitely causes the accidents, at least the Lion Air. The MCAS pushes the nose over when aircraft thinks it’s stalling to help break the stall. So those guys had a failed airspeed indicator and the airplane thinks it’s stalling, so it trims down, even with auto pilot off. These guys are crashing them in VMC, imagine getting this in IMC.
No way to disconnect the system?
The worst part, the most fucked up thing, is that Boeing put the system in the aircraft and did not tell the companies, pilots, maintenance, put in the manuals. We had no idea the system was even installed until the Lion Air crash.
Yes, you disconnect the trim, like a runaway stabilizer.
So now you’re manually flying it, manually trimming the aircraft, with no air speed indication.
Have you flown the max?
Yes. Also, you have to recognize this problem, when you have a loss of reliable airspeed. Which is a handful to begin with.
This is what I got from my friend who is a Captain at Southwest.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostSo now you’re manually flying it, manually trimming the aircraft, with no air speed indication.
Also, you have to recognize this problem, when you have a loss of reliable airspeed. Which is a handful to begin with.
Thanks for posting that.
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