Breaking news: Ethiopian Airlines flight has crashed on way to Nairobi

[CarolW]

https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news...m_medium=email

Oh, but they would NEVER do (not-do) that! Yeah, riiiiiiiiight! Thanks for that report, Gabriel.

[Gabriel]

Last week, the Democratic Staff of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure’s subcommittee on aviation, published a preliminary investigative report into the 737 Max following a year-long investigation. The committee’s preliminary findings, “The Boeing 737 MAX Aircraft: Costs, Consequences, and Lessons from its Design, Development, and Certification,” focus on five main areas; production pressures on Boeing employees that jeopardized aviation safety; Boeing’s faulty assumptions about critical technologies, most notably regarding MCAS; Boeing’s concealment of crucial information from the FAA, its customers, and pilots; inherent conflicts of interest among authorized representatives, or ARs, who are Boeing employees authorized to perform certification work on behalf of the FAA, and Boeing’s influence over the FAA’s oversight that resulted in FAA management rejecting safety concerns raised by the agency’s own technical experts at the behest of Boeing.

https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news...m_medium=email

[Evan]

Bring on the Ambulance Chasers. Maybe the best way to find a missing plane is to follow the lawyers.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boeing-737max-lawyers-insight/after-ethiopia-crash-victims-relatives-say-they-were-hounded-by-u-s-law-firms-idUKKBN1YR0FC

[Evan]

And where are they now? Still at Boeing? If not what action do you expect Boeing to take with them?

No, that's my point. They probably cannot be held accountable, yet they were the ones who masterminded this nightmare. Perhaps there is some legal angle but I doubt it. McAllister and Muilenburg certainly inherited the mess, but that doesn't exonerate them. They knew what was going on and went along with it.

[Gabriel]

And where are they now? Still at Boeing? If not what action do you expect Boeing to take with them?

[Evan]

Who?

Harry C. Stonecipher, CEO 2003-2005, President 1997-2005
James McNerney, CEO 2005-2015, Chairman of the Board 2005-2016, President, 2005-2013

[Gabriel]

Stonecipher and McNerney

Who?

[Evan]

It seems Boeing has finally begun taking steps to fix the problem at Boeing. But ousting McAllister and removing Muilenburg as chairman seem like sacrificial goating to me (although with very nice platinum parachutes I'm sure). The real culprits appear to be Stonecipher and McNerney, who are safely out of reach now. Still, it would be nice if we find out they aren't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/business/boeing-kevin-mcallister.html

[flashcrash]

Are frogs migratory?

Depends if it's an African or European frog

[3WE]

If a frog had wings, and it wasn't a stretched version of a frog trying to fill the gap left by a frog that had been cancelled by the creator, who was trying to avoid a costly new frog development by stretching an older, shortlegged frog, thus creating a long frog with low ground clearance, it wouldn't need a tailskid cartridge to detect every time it bumped its ass a-hoppin.

It's an old saying.

Clever.

And no acronyms. ABLS?

[ATLcrew]

Are frogs migratory?

Not at all. But they can be carried.

[Evan]

No I don't.

If a frog had wings, and it wasn't a stretched version of a frog trying to fill the gap left by a frog that had been cancelled by the creator, who was trying to avoid a costly new frog development by stretching an older, shortlegged frog, thus creating a long frog with low ground clearance, it wouldn't need a tailskid cartridge to detect every time it bumped its ass a-hoppin.

It's an old saying.

[elaw]

Are frogs migratory?

[3WE]

And if frogs had wings, well you know how the rest goes.

No I don't.

If a frog had wings, it should refrain from pulling up relentlessly as it could stall?

OR

If a frog had wings, there should be clear procedures on how to handle warnings as "keep flying" is too vague and not specific to the species of the frog?

[BoeingBobby]

There were transatlantic 737 flights, with a technical stopover in Halifax or something. The 737NG can fly routes from North America to Europe with ETOPS 180. The 757 can fly some nonstops however.

I think, if Boeing wasn't in the mood for a new airframe development, the 737 line should have ended instead of the 757, and new, shortened 757 variants, if engineering allowed for it, should have been introduced to replace the -700 and -800 NG's. I was saying this twenty years ago. The main reason then is the main reason now: ground clearance for the ultra fans that we knew were coming in the 1990's. A shortened 757 with new wings, engines and perhaps lowered gear height would not have needed artificial stability augmentation, would not have crashed right out of the box and would not have been grounded indefinitely, and probably would have been delivered to Lufthansa on time. Sure, a new type certification would have been required, but the process would have been minimal, the tooling and supply chains would have mostly existed and the cockpit commonality would allow for minimal changes to existing training resources. The 757, re-engined with some new avionics and a bit of FBW would be a real 21st century aircraft. The Max is a desperately dolled-up piece of antiquity.

And if frogs had wings, well you know how the rest goes.