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    Looks to me an engine failure on the RH side.
    “The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.”

    Erwin


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    Canadian CF-18 crashes

    August 29th will be the worst day of the year.

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    • #3
      Fantastic photos - the first shows the canopy, the pilot parachute deploying the main parachute pack, and the rocket plumes from the seat (notice the head down position of the pilots head due to g forces). The second and third photos show the main parachute inflating.

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      • #4
        My Lord, the man hangs in there with that extreme attitude till the last second and the thing goes full stall with spin entry.

        He was ready to die instead of just punching out over occupied space. Just watching that nose get higher and higher with no gain was chilling.

        What is the safe altitude for survival?

        This stuff always gets me. We had no ejection seats and had to jump and often the hook and skeg were down acting like fly swatters.

        But that low? My hat is off to the man. 80 feet? Irony is the Bee Gees with the "Stayin Alive" on the PA system.
        Live, from a grassy knoll somewhere near you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by guamainiac View Post
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          What is the safe altitude for survival?
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          Zero altitude from 0 to 600 knots providing the roll attitude (near vertical) of the aircraft is within envelope.

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          • #6
            "STAYIN ALIVE" playing in the background..........cool!

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            • #7
              right wing stall? So much for ground effect. I've witnessed this first-hand at a blue angels show over SF bay. Tailstand until the critical moment at almost zero airspeed, all thrust in ground effect, then nose over to recover. I guess you have to have a feel for that critical moment.

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              • #8
                I thought ground effect was one and a half times the wing span +/- and that looks like it might have been a bit above that.
                Live, from a grassy knoll somewhere near you.

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                • #9
                  No ground effect here.

                  It looks like an accident to add to the "stall" thread. You can see a lot of left aileron and left rudder, but the pilot keeps pulling up thus reducing any ability of the ailerons to raise the left wing. Looks like a reduction of AoA early in the sequence would have kept things in control.

                  The initiation of the spin could be just an asymetric stal due to a gust or whatever. It could be also and engine stall or something like that. It doesn't look like, because there is no strange sound, smoke, fire, etc.

                  Of course this is all a very weak analisis based only in the video. And I can wrong (except in the ground effect issue).

                  --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
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                  • #10
                    This stuff always gets me. We had no ejection seats and had to jump and often the hook and skeg were down acting like fly swatters.

                    - So what aircraft and service are we talking?

                    - As for safe ejection altitude ( i presume thats what you are asking), remember the Russion MiG that crashed at an airshow? That pilot punched out at about 20feet! From memory, he got a little hot as the wind blew him back into the fireball. A heap of people killed too.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Luka View Post
                      This stuff always gets me. We had no ejection seats and had to jump and often the hook and skeg were down acting like fly swatters.

                      - So what aircraft and service are we talking?

                      - As for safe ejection altitude ( i presume thats what you are asking), remember the Russion MiG that crashed at an airshow? That pilot punched out at about 20feet! From memory, he got a little hot as the wind blew him back into the fireball. A heap of people killed too.
                      Most recent seats are rated zero/zero which means zero airspeed and zero altitude.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SYDCBRWOD View Post
                        Most recent seats are rated zero/zero which means zero airspeed and zero altitude.
                        Okay, but i still don't quite get it...You mean their rating means you can survive pulling (theoretically) the cord at ground level just sitting there? It will push you high enough for a succesful chute deployment and safe landing speed?
                        Reminds me of a story from North Queensland, a bloke accidentally activated the ejection seat whilst in the hanger! Put a hollywood style hole in the roof! He survived fine from memory...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Luka View Post
                          Okay, but i still don't quite get it...You mean their rating means you can survive pulling (theoretically) the cord at ground level just sitting there? It will push you high enough for a succesful chute deployment and safe landing speed?
                          Yup. Exactly that.

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                          • #14
                            RA-3 Skywarrior, known as "Whales". There was a directive on them to stop going as slow as possible for bail out. Slow as possible meant essentially a landing configuration that had the speed brakes out along with the tail hook that also had a "brake surface". It was a few years before me but it was still chilling to learn that quite a few crews died that way before someone figured it out.

                            Yeah, I saw the MIG thing and the other vids but I'm still amazed by what is possible today.

                            Alpha Mike Foxtrot

                            actually what was said was AMF short and sweet .. kidding of course.
                            Live, from a grassy knoll somewhere near you.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by guamainiac View Post
                              RA-3 Skywarrior, known as "Whales". There was a directive on them to stop going as slow as possible for bail out. Slow as possible meant essentially a landing configuration that had the speed brakes out along with the tail hook that also had a "brake surface". It was a few years before me but it was still chilling to learn that quite a few crews died that way before someone figured it out.

                              Yeah, I saw the MIG thing and the other vids but I'm still amazed by what is possible today.

                              Alpha Mike Foxtrot

                              actually what was said was AMF short and sweet .. kidding of course.


                              - Sorry mate, i must be slow this morning...AMF?
                              Your probably paying out on me, but i don't get it...
                              Skywarrior!? - Your a rare pilot...A strange beauty to the girl. Trying to think of its replacement...Corsair? Skyhawk? (bit small) - F-14?

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