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  • #1

    War on Iraq was never needed

    Hello enthusiasts,
    I know this site is mainly read by american citizens but I would just like to express my opinion about the current "war on iraq". I do not think It was ever needed seeing how many people have lost their lives so far.

    The horror and trauma of war always ceases me in amazement. I also agree with Australian Leader of opposition Simon Crean, that the dissarming of Suddam Hussein was needed but not at the cost of Iraqi civilians and those of the coalition forces.

    M. Nicol
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  • #2
    Right, absolutely right, 100% right. Ousting Saddam was necessary, but not through war.

    Anyway, if Scumball (thats the unofficial jp.net name for Saddam, by the way ) really had WMD's, wouldn't he have used them!!! Think about it, why would he let USA come through his country without offering much resistance. He knew he couldn't win against USA, so why didn't he use his "if-he-has-any-at-all" WMD's??? To me, only one answer seems obvious, he didn't have them in the first place. This also makes this war unjustified.
    "The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."

    -- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'

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    • #3


      Thanks, guys, we had a lot of threads here discussing this, and finally I hear some decent voices.

      Well done.
      Regards,
      Peter

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      • #4

        I agrre. This war wasn't necessary
        Andy

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        • #5
          Actually, this war was needed.

          Saddam has WMDs that could very well end up in one of our cities. If we did nothing, we could have an attack far worse than 9/11. Its easy for you to sit in Australia and be against this war, because you are not the one in danger. But for us Americans in danger, this war is important.
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          • #6
            Well Herpa, then tell me this, if Scumball did have WMD's, why didn't he use them on the coalition troops?? Its not like he was soft-hearted or anything.
            "The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."

            -- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'

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            • #7
              There are a number of reasons why he didn't use his WMDs.

              He could have been killed on the first night of fighting, therefore he would not be able to give the order to use the WMDs. Also he could have given the order to use the WMDs but his soldiers disobeyed the order. Or maybe the WMDs are still under development, they are not ready to use yet.
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              • #8
                1. He was not killed on the first day of fighting. Pictures of him were shown long after the fighting began. Even if u say that they were his lookalikes, i find it highly improbable that he was killed on the first day.

                2. Why the hell would his soldiers disobey him, when it meant saving their lives. They would have known that if they did not use WMD's on the Americans, the Americans would come and kill them. So it is even more unlikely that they would have disobeyed Scumball. And WMD's are not like machine guns, where if u don't fire nothing happens. They would have been kept in highly guarded places with Scumball's most trusted soldiers posted there.

                3. If the WMD's are still under production, then how do you expect to find any WMD's in Iraq. And one of the main reasons for this war was that Saddam had WMD's which were a threat to USA. If there are no WMD's, then this war is totally unjustified.
                "The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."

                -- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'

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                • #9
                  Here is my personal belief on WMD. I beleive saddam has them. I have also wondered and worried why they were not used agains Americans. Here is what I have come up with. Tell me if this is that outlandish. Saddam knows his soldiers are very unloyal. If he handed out WMDs to his troops they would show the americans right where they are. And thus the US would have a perfect case against him and the whole international community would be against him. So the conclusion, Saddam didn't have the weapons to attack the US troops. He has them to sell to terriorist organizations to launch attacks on the US, Britain, Australia, and other allies of the the US. Yes to some of the Americans here Australia is threatened by terrorists. The reason why they have not been found yet is there have not been formal teams looking for them. That will be conducted with the help of the UN after the war is over and unrestricted access is available.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mikecweb
                    The reason why they have not been found yet is there have not been formal teams looking for them. That will be conducted with the help of the UN after the war is over and unrestricted access is available.
                    The US Gouvernment claimed to have prooves for these weapons. Why didn't they guide the UN inspectors to these places? They could have been found month ago by the inspectors.
                    Andy

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                    • #11
                      You know what, I don't think Scumball cared how many countries were with him and how many were against him, because he knew that he would be ousted anyway, and none of the countries that were against USA would help him.

                      Also, in attacking Iraq, USA assumed that Scumball had WMD's, hence already having the "perfect case". In that case, why would Saddam be afraid to use his WMD's, if he had any to begin with?? And let me tell ya this, any Iraqi who had a WMD in his hand, would not hesitate to use it on an advancing coalition troop, be he loyal or not, because it would save his life.

                      And its not like USA didn't search for Scumball's WMD's. Infact Scumball let in weapon inspectors from the UN. If after all these searches nothing conclusive was found, then one must believe that Scumball doesn't have any WMD's.

                      Unless - (now here's the catch), Scumball has stored his WMD's for one last showdown with the coalition troops when they finally (if they ever) find him.
                      "The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."

                      -- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'

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                      • #12
                        Three reasons why America called for war with Iraq:

                        1. Saddam possesses WMD's and is a threat to the world
                        Inspectors have found nothing. When inspectors left in '98 they said Saddam had nothing. He's allowed for his country to be put under a microscope yet the US govt has grossly overlooked this as his shennanigans. Well had we of devoted more time to inspections then the world could have clearly ascertained that Saddam was or wasn't lying to the world and in the case of the former, would have led to a more united front against this regime. And going back to what Indian Airlines said, if America was "certain", then why didn't they release more information? Then why weren't other heads of state convinced? Let's see, because that evidence was not substantial but more subjective.

                        2. He has ties to terrorism
                        The terrorists are fundamentalists. Saddam's rule is strictly secular. He's silenced all opposition to his rule including religious opposition. You think terrorists will support a man who has killed Mullah's? Nope. Come on, Saddam and Bin Laden pretty much hate eachother. Their religious agendas are the opposite. One is a terrorist with what he sees as a religious calling. Another is a despot with secular nationalistic political views. Look, the US govt is able to track money sent to terrorists from terrorist sympathizers bet it govt. officials, businessmen, or clerics. Yet none has been tracked from Saddam.

                        3. To liberate the people of Iraq
                        Yes, such is a good thing and I don't deny it. But if it's liberation that America is out to deliver, then why don't we go into China, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia et al.? Oh wait, these countries are of value to America or are allies. So, could it be that this pretext is only used when convenient?

                        And yes, let's not forget the human toll mentioned by others.

                        In summation, I feel that I have sufficiently countered all three of the US govts. primary reason for war. Is there a case for war? Doesn't look like it.

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                        • #13
                          Maybe China is just to big for America. They couldn't handle 1 bilion POW.
                          Andy

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                          • #14
                            Let's not forget the P.L.A. The world's biggest army. 10 million+

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by herpa2003
                              Its easy for you to sit in Australia and be against this war, because you are not the one in danger. But for us Americans in danger, this war is important.
                              Saddam has no WMDs, at least until now no proof has been delivered, as correctly outlined by other posters in this thread. Therefore, with this being the main reason for the war, this war was totally unsubstantiated.

                              If my geography is right, then Australia and America are about the same distance from Iraq, roughly. No Iraqi missile is able to fly to either the USA or Australia. I do not see any reason why Australia should not be a target for WMDs, but the US should.

                              As of now there is also no proof that Saddam had any ties with the terrorists who might use such weapons against the USA. And if the US became a target, then it is entirely due to their weird foreign politics. This is also the main reason why 9/11 happened.

                              Regards,
                              Peter

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