So how many thousand innocent Iraqis were really killed?

[JeffinDEN]

Just curious..........have not seen anything from the "doom and gloom" group lately. I also think I remember some knucklehead from Switzerland claiming there would be hundreds of American soldiers in a freezer someplace. Anyone seen that news broadcast? :P

Oh yea, Happy Birthday Saddam!!!!!!

Jeff

[indian airlines]

Back to your idiotics............

[JeffinDEN]

Hello to you too!

Jeff

[nyc_spotter]

This has to be the dumbest topic EVER!

[indian airlines]

[DeltaCappy]

Welcome back Jeff. Finally somebody that has a brain comes along

[Richard]

indian airlines, don't bother to reply to their posts, these people are not worth your time. Discuss world affairs with people who actually have the slightest clue what they're talking about.

[LH 340-600]

Richard is right

[Chris Kilroy]

Well, Jeff certainly brings up a good point. We really haven't heard much out of the doom and gloom crowd recently, which is strange, as they're normally oh so vocal.

By the way, Richard, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. Knowing Jeff's credentials, I'd be willing to wager he knows a hell of a lot more about it than you do.

[Airigami]

Knowing Jeff's credentials, I'd be willing to wager he knows a hell of a lot more about it than you do.

And they are...?

I'm not being facetious. I really want to know.

[Richard]

Isn't it ironic how the "gloom and doom" crowd are the brightest of the lot? By the way, I did express my concerns that this war is going nowhere in the War with Iraq thread. We can actually back up our facts and formulate an opinion other than making statements that aren't backed up which are literally reiterating Bush and Rummy.

By the way, Richard, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. Knowing Jeff's credentials, I'd be willing to wager he knows a hell of a lot more about it than you do.

I wouldn't vouch that. Maybe you guys don't see the scores of Iraqis protesting telling US troops to get out of their country, maybe you don't see the crying family members mourning the loss of a loved one, maybe you don't see the poorer living conditions so many innocent civilians must endure as a result of this war, maybe you don't see the lives ruined by looters. Chris, maybe I wouldn't have to dismiss Jeff as having inadequate knowledge of the war if he were to back up his statements with facts, something that the "gloom and doom" crowd have done. Some credentials

Lastly, I wouldn't count on watching the unbalanced and distorted US news for information. They are about as credible as the fmr. Iraqi information minister.

[iceman]

Isn't it ironic how the "gloom and doom" crowd are the brightest of the lot? By the way, I did express my concerns that this war is going nowhere in the War with Iraq thread. We can actually back up our facts and formulate an opinion other than making statements that aren't backed up which are literally reiterating Bush and Rummy.

I wouldn't vouch that. Maybe you guys don't see the scores of Iraqis protesting telling US troops to get out of their country, maybe you don't see the crying family members mourning the loss of a loved one, maybe you don't see the poorer living conditions so many innocent civilians must endure as a result of this war, maybe you don't see the lives ruined by looters. Chris, maybe I wouldn't have to dismiss Jeff as having inadequate knowledge of the war if he were to back up his statements with facts, something that the "gloom and doom" crowd have done. Some credentials

Lastly, I wouldn't count on watching the unbalanced and distorted US news for information. They are about as credible as the fmr. Iraqi information minister.

Richard:

Who do you consider to be the “best and brightest”? People who agree with you? Or loonies like Robert Fisk, Howard Zinn and John Pilger?

They predicted that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would perish in this fighting, but not even the most grossly overestimated sources, even from Iraqi officials, came even close to that number.

As for the lives messed up by the war, WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU WHEN IRAQI’S LIVES WERE BEING MESSED UP BY SADDAM HUSSEIN?! Why did you guys not protest against Saddam Hussein and his cruel minions?

This is either sheer ignorance or brutal hypocrisy, and neither one is a good thing. This is why I have absolutely no respect for the “anti-war” movement and this previously “anti-war” jetphotos forum member became somewhat pro-war towards the end.

As for your claim of US media being distorted, you’re just delusional or stupid. What do you call the NYT? USA Today? NPR? They are vehemently anti-war. And as right-wing as Fox News may be, I’d trust them over TV5 France or al-Jazerra or al-Guardian any day. Any pundit that calls a homicidal suicide bomber a “martyr” cannot be trusted as fair, unbalanced or credible. And even if US media sources represent things from another perspective, so what? Is that a crime? If you are the tolerant, open-minded and accepting tyke that you present yourself to be on these forums, then you would understand that there are different points of view and you would accept them. Anything less would be phony. And frankly, that’s what you’re presenting yourself as at this time.

[B777-400]

there have been a large number of Iraqis killed, though I don't have the exact number...but why does that matter?

Do you people only feel sorry when 10,000 people die? I don't know about you warmongers, but for me, I feel bad when 1 person dies. I feel bad when 2 people die, when 10 people die....I guess you are just too used to killing people...

and btw...turn on your TV...protesters in Iraq are saying "DOWN WITH AMERICA"!!!!!!

[Greg]

They are saying "DOWN WITH AMERICAN OCCUPATION" not "DOWN WITH AMERICA" there's a difference.

[B777-400]

the words that are coming out of their mouths say "DOWN WITH AMERICA"...I don't know how you interpret their thoughts (maybe you have telepathic powers)...but on TV, it's "DOWN WITH AMERICA" Period!