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[Airbus_A320]

Destroy our nuclear weapons? LOL! Yeah, we'll be sure to do that once Russia, France, the UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, and Iran(?) give up theirs.

My point in saying that, was that the US shouldn't be telling other countries that they shouldn't have certain weapons, yet still keeping a stockpile.

[herpa2003]

The UN inspections should have continued without an invasion and everything would have been ok. And also the US should lead by example and destroy our nuclear weapons, instead of telling other countries what to do when we are guilty of the same crime.

Destroy our nuclear weapons? LOL! Yeah, we'll be sure to do that once Russia, France, the UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, and Iran(?) give up theirs.

[Airbus_A320]

I like the use of the word "believed".

Yep, I noticed that too. Shows that there is no real proof for anything written there.

[A332]

And I believe that both Bush and Clinton passed up attempts for various reasons.

So with this line, I assume you are saying that Bush/Clinton had the opportunity to take out Zarqawi, but didn't do so for "various reason"...?

Considering the US/UK had absolutely no problem bombing the shit out of Iraq for 12 years following GWI, I find this a little hard to believe. Zarqawi was a nobody until after the current invasion took place and the guerrilla campaign began.

[herpa2003]

Yet pre-Iraq invasion, no one even knew who al-Zarqawi was...

Interesting.. no?

Well, the general populace didn't know who he was, but the Presidents (both Bush and Clinton) did. And I believe that both Bush and Clinton passed up attempts for various reasons.

[Airbus_A320]

But there has been NO evidece suggesting there were weapons. The US has stopped looking for weapons in Iraq and have found nada. It's also ironic that the annoucement was made after the election.

There were no weapons in Iraq, thats why both the UN and US found nothing.

The UN inspections should have continued without an invasion and everything would have been ok. And also the US should lead by example and destroy our nuclear weapons, instead of telling other countries what to do when we are guilty of the same crime.

[Simpleboy]

This is a different scenario. I don't know if he ever completed any chemical weapons, but he was working on them. He's a bad guy, could rival Bin Laden. Masterminded the murders of many Americans, Israelis, Moroccans, Turks, was planning a chemical attack on Jordan.

From the BBC-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm



Also, from wikipedia-



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

U.S. officials believe that Zarqawi trained others in the use of poison for possible attacks in Europe, ran a terrorist haven in northern Iraq, and organized the bombing of a Baghdad hotel
Jordan accuses Zarqawi of plotting to release a chemical cloud in Amman. Men were arrested in Amman who purportedly were planning to release the chemical attack.
According to suspects arrested in Turkey, Zarqawi sent them to Istanbul to organize an attack on a NATO summit there on June 28 or June 29.

I like the use of the word "believed".

[A332]

Yet pre-Iraq invasion, no one even knew who al-Zarqawi was...

Interesting.. no?

[herpa2003]

Yes, the chemical weapons that don't exist.

This is a different scenario. I don't know if he ever completed any chemical weapons, but he was working on them. He's a bad guy, could rival Bin Laden. Masterminded the murders of many Americans, Israelis, Moroccans, Turks, was planning a chemical attack on Jordan.

From the BBC-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm

He is believed to have set up a training camp in the western city of Herat, near the border with Iran.

Students at his camp supposedly became experts in the manufacture and use of poison gases. It is during this period that Zarqawi is thought to have renewed his acquaintance with al-Qaeda.

Also, from wikipedia-



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

U.S. officials believe that Zarqawi trained others in the use of poison for possible attacks in Europe, ran a terrorist haven in northern Iraq, and organized the bombing of a Baghdad hotel
Jordan accuses Zarqawi of plotting to release a chemical cloud in Amman. Men were arrested in Amman who purportedly were planning to release the chemical attack.
According to suspects arrested in Turkey, Zarqawi sent them to Istanbul to organize an attack on a NATO summit there on June 28 or June 29.

[Airbus_A320]

Riiight. Ever hear of Al-Zarqawi? The lead terrorist in Iraq right now? He was there even before we invaded plotting terrorist attacks and working on chemical weapons.

Yes, the chemical weapons that don't exist.

Old? It's the reason we're fighting this war. In case you forgot, we were attacked, and 3,000 of our people were killed. Clinton showed you what you would get after 8 years of doing nothing, and we aren't going to make that mistake again.

So now lets get the whole world to hate us, that will be much better.

[Leftseat86]

You weren't supposed to agree with that. It was sarcasm.

Republicans can say the darnedest things these days...

[herpa2003]

I dont agree with that either but...I'm gonna stop discussing this in here and try and keep this thread about the soldiers.

You weren't supposed to agree with that. It was sarcasm.

[Leftseat86]

Yes, both Bush and Clinton made mistakes. But at least now we are fighting back. Who cares if it is against the wrong country?

I dont agree with that either but...I'm gonna stop discussing this in here and try and keep this thread about the soldiers.

[herpa2003]

Bush had a year before 9/11 and he didn't do fuck all. He spent more time at his ranch in Texas then looking into the mounting intelligence that was starting to signal an attack was imminent... (Clinton did the same though )

Yes, both Bush and Clinton made mistakes. But at least now we are fighting back. Who cares if it is against the wrong country?

[herpa2003]

You were not attacked by Iraq. You were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Saddam Hussein and bin Laden hated each others guts. This war is not being fought because of 9-11. That was the war with Afghanistan.

It doesn't matter the nationalities of the hijackers, the point was that Saddam supported terrorism. The insurgency in Iraq now consists of many foreign-born terrorists that are going into the country to fight against the Americans. It's better to kill the terrorists over there than to have to worry about them fighting against us over here.

And yes, Clinton did show us what we would get after 8 years...one of the strongest economies America has ever had, just to be nulled and overturned by this president.

Would you rather have a strong economy or 3,000 of your citizens killed in a terrorist attack that would cripple the airline industry?

I believe that mistakes were made leading up to the invasion of Iraq, but there is no turning back now. We are there until that country becomes stable, and that could be a long time...