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  • Greg
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    wannabepilot, forget school, electricity, roads, sewer, etc if you want to end subsidies. They don't make money and no body seems to be whining about that. If you want certain industries to be there you need to support them via tax.

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  • uy707
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    Originally posted by wannabepilot777
    Boy, does this mean Amtrack will actually have to start running as a business, rather than a French style Socialist organization? This America..if it can't make money on its own, let it fail.
    Adding to Babypurin and Greg pertinating statements

    This is not because we had Mitterand as pres for 14 years, that Socialism means French as you seems hinting it. In fact Socialism in Western European economies was long a stalwart of BRITISH LABOUR PARTY which revised its status in 1996 by abolishing the 1904 ruling stating that means of production are collective properties. Besides Karl Marx and Lenin did not picked up Paris as their favourite hang-out when in exile .....
    By the way, who is adding civil servants on the USA payroll, GW Bush !
    Alain

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  • Greg
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    Originally posted by indian airlines
    Is this guy serious... Things work very differently in reality than they do on paper.
    Really? I never would have guessed.

    Maybe we should remove all subsidies from everything...in the name of capitalism.

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  • indian airlines
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    Originally posted by wannabepilot777
    Only an economy with socialist programs tied into it requires such things.
    Is this guy serious... Things work very differently in reality than they do on paper.

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  • wannabepilot777
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    Originally posted by indian airlines
    You have not the faintest shred of knowledge about basic economic theory. Government subsidies are vital at times to keep an economy running.
    Only an economy with socialist programs tied into it requires such things.

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  • indian airlines
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    You have not the faintest shred of knowledge about basic economic theory. Government subsidies are vital at times to keep an economy running.

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  • wannabepilot777
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    Originally posted by knowitalltwit
    Come back in 18 years when you're 30, leeching off social security (which might or might not be there) and say that again. Till then, read a damn book, and get a damn clue.
    It is my opinion that anyone who makes enough money to support themselves shouldn't get Social Security. I have allready have to file encome tax and I can assure you I fall well into the category of one who never wants to or expects to see a cent of Social security money.

    AND, this is not a private matter we are talking about. Social security is great, subsities are not.

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  • indian airlines
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    Originally posted by whatsisname
    If they can't make money on their own, they should fail and die. Make money or die. Simple as that.
    Come back in 18 years when you're 30, leeching off social security (which might or might not be there) and say that again. Till then, read a damn book, and get a damn clue.

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  • wannabepilot777
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    Originally posted by Greg
    That is one ignorant statement. If your username is any clue, you want to be a pilot. So if your generalization stands true, you better like blue 737's. Cause that's all your going to get.
    You are damned right. You see, I tend to love something we call capatalism. That is where you either pull your own weight or die off so that you don't suck the life out of the money making parts of society. If they can't make money on their own, they should fail and die. I know it means jobs, but in a complete capatalistic society, those people would all have new jobs to go to within a month! Make money or die. Simple as that.

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  • Greg
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    Originally posted by wannabepilot777
    Boy, does this mean Amtrack will actually have to start running as a business, rather than a French style Socialist organization? This America..if it can't make money on its own, let it fail.
    That is one ignorant statement. If your username is any clue, you want to be a pilot. So if your generalization stands true, you better like blue 737's. Cause that's all your going to get.

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  • wannabepilot777
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    Boy, does this mean Amtrack will actually have to start running as a business, rather than a French style Socialist organization? This America..if it can't make money on its own, let it fail.

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  • babypurin
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    Amtrak is the most efficient way to travel in short sectors DC-NY-CT-MA and with the lack of funds, it could very well go bankrupt. I do wish the best of luck to them. The government is not willing to help some "old technology" but only trying to help the future of travel.

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  • Greg
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    "If an industry cannot make money, then it's the government's job"

    Amtrak provides a clear alternative in corridors where the car and aviation are not viable. it also has it's crews operate numerous cities commuter trains. Amtrak was created to rescue private companies which were losing money in face of competition from cars/planes. This is one count where I think W's boys are wrong, Amtrak needs to stay. Proponents of less government spending think otherwise but it is a valuable asset that deserves to have he necessary cash. Amtrak could perform if the government was offering it the type of help that the airlines receive. To merely toss away the notion of rail because it cost money is stupid. roads are heavily subsidies, especially non toll roads. To cut funding for roads would be a debacle. And to do the same for railroads would be another debacle. It would increase pollution and congestion. To adequately address coming energy shortages and congestion, passenger rail transportation is a must. the solve their problems the politicians that deal with money should not toss the money that belongs to the people of the United States at backwards camel herders, but instead use the money to further the domestic situations which will eventually confront us. If the politicians have the guts to cut funding, they also have the guts to lose re-election at the time of voting.

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  • uy707
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    Too bad for Amtrak often termed as operating on borrowed money, borrowed tracks and borrowed tracks !!!. However, the company has been left developping its today position, some questions should be asked to some persons and insiders. Amtrak for instance never had good managerial levels, instead of getting real and market orientated railwayheads, they got an assortment of civil servants. It's should be about time to think of it instead of wasting the potential of passenger train operations in the US.
    Alain

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  • Mat '64
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    This should actually happan with the NS (dutch railroads) as well, I don't know if they recieve Subsidy, becuase the NS is a particulair Company and only 86% of the trains are arriving on scheduale.

    If they Do subsidy the NS, then they should cut it, because the NS is spending the cash on those Higly Annoyingly V-IRMs....

    I don't know really much about Amtraks, but if that's Amtrak's then the Subsidy should be Cut of course!

    Cheers!
    "en toen Scheurde Treinstel 502, langs onze neuzen, de oudste Treinstel die in dienst is"

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