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    Within minutes of sending an email to a.net, my photos were removed as requested.

    I have my own website and I thought expanding to a.net would offer more opportunities. It did. A few requests came in that did not materialize. It'll come. Someone would be interested.

    Last year, very close to this time of year, I received an email from a friend that a photo on the front of the Dragon Wings Westjet Boeing 737-700 model box looked incredibly familiar. I bought the model and identified the photo as mine except that the background was altered.

    I searched Dragon Wings' website and identified a number of boxes in which the photo was on a.net. Johan agreed that it was wrong but could not (or did not) offer an explanation. Dragon Wings stopped contact once the emails became heated and more directed.

    The only photo of mine on a.net got published! Free and not even a thank you. Time went on and a few months ago decided to see if a.net would offer more exposure. I got the impression from people that if your photos were on a.net, you were somebody in the aviation photography world. A few got submitted quickly and then the flurry of rejection after rejection.

    Then you find yourself spending hours rescanning, adjusting and resubmitting photos. Only to get rejected again. Insulted, you try and beat the screeners at there game. Finally, I told them to get there head out of their butts and wouldn't you know it, Johan suspends my uploads for one month and threatens to remove all my photos if it happened again. I quickly apologized.

    Friends hear about jetphotos.net and get uploaded immediatey. I read these forums only to find out that many are feeling the same way about a.net. Rejected photos are the least of their worries. They have big management problems, egos and double standards.

    So I revoked my apology, told Johan to take all of MY photos off of his black market stock photography website and banned him from viewing my website for one month.

    He reacted within about 30 minutes.

    [ December 13, 2002 01:56 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Kirk Webber ]

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    If you really can prove that Dragon Wing used your picture without your permission, you could sue them for breaking the copyright law.

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      1) Dragonwings are very good at doing that, trust me I know all about them as I worked for Gemini Jets for a while and I'm a very good friend of Dan Asher (GJ Owner)

      2) I'm also think about having my photos removed from their site but I'm just not sure. I have the highest hit rate of anyone on a.net and my top photo is almost at 200,000 hits.

      Does Johan think he's that big that he can ban you from uploading !!

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        I had two problems with filing any action against Dragon Wings. Cost and benefit. I still think that I should do something on principle. When I was in contact with DW, I was first attempting to find the source. It could of been as simple as right clicking the image and doing their thing. The images are rather large on these sites. Finally I was expecting a fair and simple resolution. It was possible that the company (I think DW has a great product) had integrity but the graphic artists cut corners that management was not aware of.

        At the end, DW claimed that they received the image from a "magazine". The only other place the digital photo went to was "Airways". They absolutely denied any accusations of selling images without permission. So it went no where. At the end of the day, DW used the altered image in mass production without permission or compensation.

        At best, I would had to hire a Canadian copyright lawyer and file against DW in Canada or Honk Kong. A judgement could of been in my favor and then there is getting the compensation. The cost is out of pocket until they pay or if they pay. I could not afford a moral victory! If anyone has a solution, I still would be please to hear from you.

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          Johan (or his boys) can ban me as much as they want. He can't prevent me from uploading but they can make sure they do not get on the site. If I do this after being asked not to, then I am just being the jerk.

          I think airliner.net is a great site. After having 300,000 photos, where can you go? I imagine that bandwidth, storage and time eventually needs to be compensated for. Hence the choke-hold on submissions. I would suggest to keep your photos there. I chose not to have them there because I figured that since I have thousands of photos, the 7 on a.net may of been construde a limited quality and quantity.

          A.net was fun because photographers could upload their stuff quickly and I could surf in to see what was new at some airports. I guess I treated it as a "news" site. Jetphotos.net is offering that opportunity for myself again. A photographer should not have to have thousands of dollars in equipment and university degree in photography to be on a site.

          I believe that jetphotos.net should get into the game early before the same problems creep up on them. I suggest that new photographers should upload 6 photos for the screeners to ensure quality and capability. After a while archive photos that do not accumulate better than X hits should be removed due to lack of interest and possibly limiting the number a photographer should have on the site.

          A.net will get it together but at the price of a lot of hurt feelings. The risk they run is that IF I had been a part of their sponsorship (remember he doesn't know me) I could of ran off with my pictures and major advertising revenue. That's what will hurt them.

          [ December 13, 2002 01:40 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Kirk Webber ]

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            Kirk , the answer is very simple regarding the Dragonwings model ..
            If it is clearly your image then forward the AN link as an attachment to an email or your original ... also title the email "copyright violation" and label high priority and request receipt , then be very diplomatic and tell them ... ( never back down to these people as they will expect that ) tell them : As payment for the use of my image "see attached link" please either forward the sum of $ 50.00 ( ball park figure) or 3 models of my choice from your range ,please respond with 7 days , i you do not respond to this copyright violation i will be instructing my solicitor to start proceedings.

            I await your response, yours ...blah blahh

            i think you get the impression .......... ive done it... it works a treat !

            cheers

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              quote:
              Originally posted by Virgin777:
              ...please either forward the sum of $ 50.00 ( ball park figure) or 3 models of my choice...

              Fifty Bucks? Is the photo not worth more, eh?
              JR FlyingTexan

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                Virgin 777 - Thanks for the response. Your right I kind of gave it up too soon. I'll try it and report back. The a.net link is gone but I can attach the images in an email.

                Here is the DW box. I realized I don't have a copy of the Westjet photo. I'll post it a little later when I scan it.

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                  Send your request to their boss, Mr. Freddie Leung. (I think)

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                    Here is the original with negative.

                    Can you confirm the name I should contact and possibly an email address.

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                      Dragon Wings is a bad bad company. Don't have ANYTHING from them. [img]nonono2.gif[/img]

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