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Originally posted by expoITHscohen
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Theres a place called Hunter's Point in San Francisco which has gang related shootings everyday. Just last Friday 2 seperate cars full of families were shot up by gangs for no reason, in one of the cars a 2 year-old baby was shot multiple times in the Chest. I go there every week to see friends and there are bullet holes in almost every buliding in some parts, and all those bulidings get broken into regurally too. About 1/3 the times I've been there I've heard gunshots, luckily I never saw anyone get shot though. But your right, who needs a gun in San Francisco? -
Anyone at serious risk of being murdered/harmed does...But your right, who needs a gun in San Francisco?Fly Raleigh-Durham International, with direct flights on Air Canada, AirTran, American Airlines, American Eagle, America West, Continental Airlines, Continental Express, Delta Airlines, Delta Connection, jetBlue, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, United Express and US Airways to:
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The only real protection one can get would be psychological though, with few exceptions. Just take the example from Crunk: even if you had a gun with you in the car, you would be shot dead before you could try to pull out anything.Originally posted by herpa2003Comment
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eh, doubt it. Seriously, if someone were to pull a gun on you, and you pulled yours out, what are they going to do? They're just gonna shoot you faster.Originally posted by herpa2003Comment
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Here's a recent, true life example from gun-loving Texas-Originally posted by avro_arrow_25206
A man goes to a public square full of people and starts shooting. Just shooting random people. There is a lawyer walking to the courthouse, and that lawyer happens to be carrying a concealed handgun. The lawyer pulls the gun, and the two men shoot and kill each other at the same time. The killer is dead, and because the lawyer had a gun people were saved that day. If the lawyer was unable to carry a weapon, the situation would probably different and the casualty count would be higher.
Now, you could say that this man legally purchased his gun (which may or may not be true, I forget the specifics of it other than the above details). However, if he had been unable to purchase his firearm legally he would have obtained it illegally, which would probably be an easier process than following the law in the first place. The law-abiding citizen who killed the shooter, however, would have been left unarmed and helpless.
Another example from my former and now current hometown of Fayetteville, NC that I remember well because it happened within a mile of my home at one of my favorite restaraunts a few years ago-
The restaraunt is a nice Italian restaraunt named Luigi's. It is a typical evening, in the peak of dinner hour, and the restaraunt is packed full of families, dates, and friends getting a good Italian meal from some place other than Olive Garden.
Without warning, an intoxicated man walks in with a shotgun and a pistol. The following is what happened next-
Willie McCormick, a cook in the restaurant, was the first person shot, when he tried to walk away from the defendant. He did not die.
Pete Parrous, the proprietor of the restaurant, approached the man and asked him not to hurt anyone. He was shot in the face and died instantly. As Mr. Parrous fell to the ground, his wife, Ethel Parrous, stood up screaming. She was killed and fell by her daughter, Connie Kotsopoulos, who began screaming and was shot in the thigh.
Wesley Cover, who had been tending to a patron who had been hit by a pellet from the shooting, asked the man with the gun not to hurt the woman he was helping because she was pregnant. Mr. Cover was shot in the head and died quickly. The woman was also shot, but not fatally.
James Kidd was covering his son and hiding in a booth. The man shot Mr. Kidd, who died almost immediately. The son was not physically harmed. Other patrons were wounded in the incident.
Now, while this was happening an off duty cop (who happened to be armed) was across the street and heard the shooting. He called for backup, ran into the restaraunt, and shot the man. Other officers shot the man three more times before he was subdued.
If anyone else in the restaurant had been armed, this slaughter could have been avoided.
Another example- Grandma, who is 73, walks into her house only to find a robber in the process of cleaning her out of her belongings. He grabs a knife and comes at her, and she reaches into her purse, pulls out her pistol, and blows him away.
These are just some of many examples...Fly Raleigh-Durham International, with direct flights on Air Canada, AirTran, American Airlines, American Eagle, America West, Continental Airlines, Continental Express, Delta Airlines, Delta Connection, jetBlue, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, United Express and US Airways to:
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Don't forget the incident that was the catalyst for the creation of the Texas Conceal & Carry law. On October 16, 1991, George Hennard entered a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen and killed 23 people while wounding 20 more. (I don't count the piece of scum among those who died even though he did the world a favor and put a bullet in his head.) Suzanna Hupp lost both her parents in the shooting but survived. She eventually became a member of the state legislature and was instrumental in getting the C&C law passed. As she said, "A gun is not a guarantee, it simply changes the odds..."Originally posted by herpa2003
I remember when it happened. I was home that day (not sure if I was sick or it was an teacher "inservice" day) and watched the entire thing unfold on CNN. Army helos were even brought in from Fort Hood to evac the wounded because there weren't enough civilian medevacs available.
Another, more personal story, is about a good friend of mine. We worked together for 4 years while at Texas A&M. The house where she and her sister were living was in a fairly rural area with lots of wood between houses. One night as she was walking from her truck to her house, a man came out and tried to pull her into the woods. Thankfully she was able to get free and pull the pistol she carried in her purse. The guy ran off before she was able to take a shot and I doubt he was ever caught, at least for that crime. Had she not had the gun, I doubt she would be alive today.Comment
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I see your a Texan, I am curious as to what effect the concealed handgun law has had on crime (in particular those commited by firearms) in Texas (I can not find any non-partisan views on the web). As far as I know the streets of Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio are not running red with the blood on innocents as the liberal media would have one believe. I would be curious as to what the stats are from other states like Fla and W.VA that have similar laws. Frankly, we could use a similar laws in Ca, but it is about as likely as LA getting a snowfall in August.Originally posted by B757300
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to those who posted stories, I'm sure there are just as many stories out there of somebody pulling out a gun in self defense and getting shot. As Aldo mentioned, its hard to find a non-biased view of this issue.Comment
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That is true of every issue. It is what makes being human so unique. We all (no matter how much we want to tell ourself and each other that it isn't so) have opinions which are biased and based on personal expirence. The key is to be open and willing to hear other people's biases. I have been doing that more so lately(and definatly not on the computer) and am finding myself more receptive to liberal points of view. Listening to every side available is the key to a reasonable discussion.Originally posted by screaming_emuTHE VOICE OF REASON HAS SPOKEN!
Pop quiz: Which US president said, "Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
George W. Bush is not correct. It was Bill Clinton in his 1998 State of the Union speech. HMMMMMMMMM.Comment
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I figured i'd finally come back.
Alright, i now live in a state that has a fairly easy to obtain concealed carry permit. I am debating applying for one myself. Because the fact is (And i am a liberal, i want everyone to know this), i grew up in Chicago. It's a mean city with a horrible gun-crime history. What happened in that diner in Texas wouldn't happen here. Because i know plenty of people in this state that own a gun just for the simple fact that if they go backpacking, they'd like to NOT be mauled by a Mountain Lion/Bear (If you could even kill them with the gun you have), the fact is.. Bad guys will still get their guns, good people wont have them, and yes while there's no assurance you will get the drop on the guy, it's just like a first aid kit. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will save someone, but it could make the odds of them making it better. There is no problem with safe and responsible gun ownership. Now while you should never use a gun as your only source of protection for your family or self (try an alarm system, keep your doors locked, whatever works) it isn't something that should be illegal.Comment
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Load the gun with bullets filled with heavy-duty kitchen salt and if in need to use it, then target the ass and fire until your agressor's butt turns as red as a baboon's one, so that it hurts for days to the extent he can't sit down !!! Be viscious enough to see him at hospital for a so-called compassionate visit and spill alchool over the bare bottomed area.
Other trick : have your fav insectiside vaporizator on the ready ...
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So since laws against drugs didn't make drugs go away, does that mean we should just make drugs legal then? I think that logic is flawed...Originally posted by herpa2003Last edited by Crazy764; 2005-10-17, 23:19.Comment
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Well, based on every crime report from the state & FBI, violent crime against persons (robbery, rape, assault, etc.) have dropped since C&C was enacted. The majority of shootings that take place are either drug/gang related, during commission of another crime like robbery, or "crimes of passion". Less than a dozen (last time I heard) people with C&C permits have been arrested for gun related crimes and around 8 or so actually convicted.Originally posted by UFOSPACE99
A side note to the C&C debate, as of September 1st, it is now legal in Texas to have a hand gun in your vehicle at all times as long as it cannot be seen and you do not have to have a C&C permit. Thanks to this change in the law, I'll be able to take my H&K USP .45 with me when I travel up to DFW this weekend.Comment
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No...People don't use drugs to protect themselves...Originally posted by Crazy764Fly Raleigh-Durham International, with direct flights on Air Canada, AirTran, American Airlines, American Eagle, America West, Continental Airlines, Continental Express, Delta Airlines, Delta Connection, jetBlue, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, United Express and US Airways to:
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Thats true, they'd probably shoot you while your trying to pull it out.Originally posted by screaming_emu
The only person I know who owns a gun that has ever saved his life is my cousins friend who is a 7-11 cashier in East Compton by L.A., he's had to use it 4 times, but thats what you expect in an area like that. But unless you live in an area like that, how often are you going to use it?Comment
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