Thugs, Murderers, Rapists, et all, San Francisco soon to welome you with open arms!

[Crunk415balla]

Canada's too cold to go outside and kill someone.

[FlyingPhotog]

United States Crime Rate (Murders with Firearms): 27.9 per 1,000,000 people
Canada Crime Rate (Murders with Firearms): 5.0 per 1,000,000 people
Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap

United States Crime Rate (Murders): 42.8 per 1,000,000 people
Canada Crime Rate (Murders): 14.9 per 1,000,000 people
Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

United States Crime Rate (Total Crimes): 80.06 per 1,000 people
Canada Crime Rate (Total Crimes): 75.49 per 1,000 people
Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

Canada's too cold to go outside and kill someone.

[eagle334]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you wanted to kill someone with a defibrillator, you probably could...

Exactly. People were killing each other long before guns were invented. Take away the guns and they will find something else to use. I believe that most of the shootings are either drug or gang related and taking guns out of the hands of responsible individuals is outrageous. Since I personally find pornography horrible, should I start asking my Congressman to submit legislation to have all cameras banned, even though there are millions of people that have cameras and have never taken a pornographic picture? After all, without cameras pornography would not exist. If you are someone that doesn't like to take pictures, this law wouldn't bother you, so go ahead and do it, right? This is the same as saying since I don't like guns, go ahead and ban them. Once people start giving in on freedoms like don't care about, it won't be long until they get to freedoms they do care about.

[herpa2003]

Defibrillators don't kill people, guns however do.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you wanted to kill someone with a defibrillator, you probably could...

[indian airlines]

Defibrillators don't kill people, guns however do.

[herpa2003]

and judging by my experience you can also drive through a bad part north of Oakland in a rented, brand new, Chevy Impala filled with white people and not even be bothered...

Right. Guns are like a portable defibrillator, you don't always need them, but if you do and don't have one...

[Genessee]

I think I will go for the insecticide, thank you

That'd be crazy. Someone let some mace off in a walmart sometime ago. Even from across the store I was in a little bit of pain.

[avro_arrow_25206]

Load the gun with bullets filled with heavy-duty kitchen salt and if in need to use it, then target the ass and fire until your agressor's butt turns as red as a baboon's one, so that it hurts for days to the extent he can't sit down !!! Be viscious enough to see him at hospital for a so-called compassionate visit and spill alchool over the bare bottomed area.
Other trick : have your fav insectiside vaporizator on the ready ...
Alain

I think I will go for the insecticide, thank you

[Airbus_A320]

I figured i'd finally come back.

Alright, i now live in a state that has a fairly easy to obtain concealed carry permit. I am debating applying for one myself. Because the fact is (And i am a liberal, i want everyone to know this), i grew up in Chicago. It's a mean city with a horrible gun-crime history. What happened in that diner in Texas wouldn't happen here. Because i know plenty of people in this state that own a gun just for the simple fact that if they go backpacking, they'd like to NOT be mauled by a Mountain Lion/Bear (If you could even kill them with the gun you have), the fact is.. Bad guys will still get their guns, good people wont have them, and yes while there's no assurance you will get the drop on the guy, it's just like a first aid kit. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will save someone, but it could make the odds of them making it better. There is no problem with safe and responsible gun ownership. Now while you should never use a gun as your only source of protection for your family or self (try an alarm system, keep your doors locked, whatever works) it isn't something that should be illegal.

Thats pretty well put, I agree 100%. The bad guys will still obtain/have guns even if it is illegal, and the only people getting screwd with a law like this would be the alright people who own guns for protection or a hobby or whatever.

[screaming_emu]

Who knows? Judging by the true stories posted by myself and another member, you could need a gun even if you are going out to eat at a nice family restaurant...

and judging by my experience you can also drive through a bad part north of Oakland in a rented, brand new, Chevy Impala filled with white people and not even be bothered...

[herpa2003]

But unless you live in an area like that, how often are you going to use it?

Who knows? Judging by the true stories posted by myself and another member, you could need a gun even if you are going out to eat at a nice family restaurant...

[Crunk415balla]

eh, doubt it. Seriously, if someone were to pull a gun on you, and you pulled yours out, what are they going to do? They're just gonna shoot you faster.

Thats true, they'd probably shoot you while your trying to pull it out.

The only person I know who owns a gun that has ever saved his life is my cousins friend who is a 7-11 cashier in East Compton by L.A., he's had to use it 4 times, but thats what you expect in an area like that. But unless you live in an area like that, how often are you going to use it?

[herpa2003]

So since laws against drugs didn't make drugs go away, does that mean we should just make drugs legal then? I think that logic is flawed...

No...People don't use drugs to protect themselves...

[B757300]

I see your a Texan, I am curious as to what effect the concealed handgun law has had on crime (in particular those commited by firearms) in Texas (I can not find any non-partisan views on the web). As far as I know the streets of Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio are not running red with the blood on innocents as the liberal media would have one believe.

Well, based on every crime report from the state & FBI, violent crime against persons (robbery, rape, assault, etc.) have dropped since C&C was enacted. The majority of shootings that take place are either drug/gang related, during commission of another crime like robbery, or "crimes of passion". Less than a dozen (last time I heard) people with C&C permits have been arrested for gun related crimes and around 8 or so actually convicted.

A side note to the C&C debate, as of September 1st, it is now legal in Texas to have a hand gun in your vehicle at all times as long as it cannot be seen and you do not have to have a C&C permit. Thanks to this change in the law, I'll be able to take my H&K USP .45 with me when I travel up to DFW this weekend.

[Crazy764]

For example-

Drugs are against the law. They are banned. But they are still a huge problem, one rampant in just about every city. Laws against drugs didn't make them go away, they just punished (rightfully) those caught using/dealing them.

For the same reasons, gun laws won't cause guns to go away.

So since laws against drugs didn't make drugs go away, does that mean we should just make drugs legal then? I think that logic is flawed...