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I'm not saying that I agree with what they've said in Iran. I'm just saying its not our place to decide who in this world can and cannot have nukes. Our leadership has proven that it can be just as irresponsible with their duties as theirs have.
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I'm sorry, but that is just flat out wrong. Countries that openly threaten to kill millions of civilians and "wipe other countries off of the map" just because of hatred of a particular religion/nationality can't have nukes. That's it. Bottom line. No exceptions. It would be completely irresponsible for us to allow them to have nukes; as a matter of fact it would be similar to handing out AK-47s to recently paroled bank robbers.Originally posted by screaming_emu
And our leadership IS responsible when it comes to nuclear weapons. We haven't used any in 60 years, when we have had plenty of chances to. There is no comparing the USA to Iran.Fly Raleigh-Durham International, with direct flights on Air Canada, AirTran, American Airlines, American Eagle, America West, Continental Airlines, Continental Express, Delta Airlines, Delta Connection, jetBlue, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, United Express and US Airways to:
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It is not up to you to decide who can and cannot have nukes. Neither is it up to you to enforce it. It is not your responsibility. It is not your country.Originally posted by herpa2003
Your leadership is also the ONLY one to have used nukes in how many ever years.And our leadership IS responsible when it comes to nuclear weapons. We haven't used any in 60 years, when we have had plenty of chances to. There is no comparing the USA to Iran."The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."
-- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'Comment
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The States has proven in Iraq that their not responsible with any type of weaponry, never lone a nuke.Originally posted by herpa2003
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If it comes down to good vs. evil there's nothing to debate over. America though has proven time and time again that their no spring chicken, that's why these threads go round and round in circles. Left wing opinions are no more valid than right wing opinions and vice versa.
It's like 2 guys get pulled over for racing each other, One guy says "I went 5km/hr slower therefore I should get off the charges". Wrong both guys broke the law, end of story.Comment
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Do you really believe that? We have been VERY responsible with our weapons...we could be rid of our problems in Iraq in less than an hour if we needed to. We didn't need to have dozens of our soldiers get killed in Fallujah saving civilian lives, we could have decimated the city in minutes and that would have been done with. Same thing in Baghdad, Najaf, Tal Assar, virtually every Iraqi city where there is fighting.The States has proven in Iraq that their not responsible with any type of weaponry, never lone a nuke.
I don't know how anyone can believe that. We have lost our guys, have had thousands of our own soldiers killed, because we were trying to be the "nice guys" and minimize civilian casualties.
No country is a "spring chicken." All of us, every country on this earth, has done things in the past that we should regret. However, what about the things that we have done to be proud of? We liberated Europe in WWII and helped out in WWI. Every time there is a national disaster anywhere around the world, who is first to send aid? Who sends the most aid? Most often, it is America. We have done more things to be proud of (IMO) than we have to be ashamed of. And that is the way that it should be in every country. However, in places like Iran/Iraq/North Korea, that isn't the case.America though has proven time and time again that their no spring chicken
I agree with this statement. We all are entitled to our opinions, and just because we are on the left or right doesn't make us any more accurate than our opponents.Left wing opinions are no more valid than right wing opinions and vice versa.
Now, on to Tanuj...
Sure it is. Israel is our closest friend in the Middle East, and we rely on them for intelligence and every once in a while to do our dirty work. It wouldn't be in our best interests to see them erased from the planet. Nor would sitting by and letting it happen be the morally correct thing to do.It is not up to you to decide who can and cannot have nukes. Neither is it up to you to enforce it. It is not your responsibility. It is not your country.
Iran is also an enemy of the United States. If they get nukes, there is the chance that they could use them against us or our allies. Therefore, it is our responsibility. In a (militarily) one-superpower world, it is up to us to make sure everyone stays in line. If we don't, it is likely that no one else will.
Right. And they ended a war and saved millions of civilian and soldier lives, on both sides. We didn't use them because we hated Japanese people, we used them because the alternative was even worse than if we didn't use them.Your leadership is also the ONLY one to have used nukes in how many ever years.Fly Raleigh-Durham International, with direct flights on Air Canada, AirTran, American Airlines, American Eagle, America West, Continental Airlines, Continental Express, Delta Airlines, Delta Connection, jetBlue, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, United Express and US Airways to:
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Sure, in the case of Israel there might be US interests at stake, and naturally therefore you will want to defend them, and that would involve preventing Israel from being nuked. I agree with you there.Sure it is. Israel is our closest friend in the Middle East, and we rely on them for intelligence and every once in a while to do our dirty work. It wouldn't be in our best interests to see them erased from the planet. Nor would sitting by and letting it happen be the morally correct thing to do.
But...
No. It is not up to you. You only come in if your interests are at stake. If two countries who have nothing to do with you are at war, you don't interfere. If you do it is abuse of power. You would be interefering in the affairs of two countries, none of which a) belong to you, or b) have solicited help from you.Iran is also an enemy of the United States. If they get nukes, there is the chance that they could use them against us or our allies. Therefore, it is our responsibility. In a (militarily) one-superpower world, it is up to us to make sure everyone stays in line. If we don't, it is likely that no one else will.
That's the standard American justification for it. I'm sure the Japanese disagree...Right. And they ended a war and saved millions of civilian and soldier lives, on both sides. We didn't use them because we hated Japanese people, we used them because the alternative was even worse than if we didn't use them."The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."
-- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'Comment
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I came back to jetphotos to see this, and I thought "crap i'm in for a hiding now" 
EDIT: Opps I meant Herpa, the jokes not really that funny now is it???
You may be right there, but distributing aid domestically?Originally posted by herpa2003
*cough New Orleans cough, excuse me* I had to get that off my chest.
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Alright. I'll budge here. We already do this to an extent, however. Case and point- Africa. Liberia, Ethiopia, etc. We (America as a whole) don't give a sh*t about them, however right or wrong that may be.No. It is not up to you. You only come in if your interests are at stake. If two countries who have nothing to do with you are at war, you don't interfere. If you do it is abuse of power. You would be interefering in the affairs of two countries, none of which a) belong to you, or b) have solicited help from you.
Well, if we had to resort to an invasion, there would be a whole lot less Japanese people left to disagree with us. Think of how nationalistic, how patriotic Americans are. Japanese then were along the same level, and very few would give up part of their homeland without a fight. Therefore it would be a bloodbath, as we would have had to resort to more conventional bombing of Japanese cities (conventional bombing of Tokyo actually killed more people than both atomic bombs), and we would be doing house-to-house to fighting pretty much everywhere. Bottom line, millions would have been killed.That's the standard American justification for it. I'm sure the Japanese disagree...
It was a lose-lose situation.
Hey now, I can be a nice person every once in a while...EDIT: Opps I meant Herpa, the jokes not really that funny now is it???
Hey, I never said that we were good at everything...You may be right there, but distributing aid domestically? *cough New Orleans cough, excuse me* I had to get that off my chest.
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