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SINGAPORE - Singapore executed a 25-year-old Australian on Friday for drug trafficking, despite numerous appeals from the Australian government and hours after the condemned man had a "beautiful last visit" with his family.
Really sad story and I do feel bad for the family. I'm all for very strict drug penalties, but I'm pretty much against the death penalty alltogether, let alone for drug cases. If you want to prevent people from doing something, then making them scared to do it is probably the most effective way, but again I think killing them is quite a bit over the top.
Better be trafficking the drugs elsewhere than Singapore, Once caught, They own your ass.
They didnt even listened to the Australian Govt even though they had appealed it a few times.
Singapore has executed more than 100 people for drug-related offenses since 1999, saying its tough laws and penalties are an effective deterrent against a crime that ruins lives.
No further comment !
I'de say its a tough world. Its not fair. well we all have to live with it !
Singapore regime needs to get it's house in order...the crime he committed is nowhere near worthy of the death penalty, just the violent death he suffered is criminal itself! I've read some disturbing reports on this case and they show no compassion at all, his mother was not even allowed a final hug yesterday...they have 90mins to collect the body or its cremated, the family recieves 13 photos of him from prison to remind them of what he could have been! very disturbing to say the least...the govt of Singapore has treated ours with contempt, at APEC recently the Singapore PM neglected to inform our PM of the impending execution date. Let's not fuck about here, he made a serious error in attemting to traffick drugs to Australia, but he did NOT deserve to be executed.
nothing is gained from this senseless act, those in Australia saying hang him i feel may take this stance due to his Asian origins.
Well, thats the only solution, I lived in a city in Mexico with lots of violence because most of the leaders of the country's drug organizations lived there (yep, the famous ones from the FBI posters: El Chapo Guzman, Amado Carrillo, among many others), you had at least 4 killings every day, and big shootings often, (even using AK47s with drum barrels, RPG launchers, etc).
So, if this is the only solution, I agree, same for serial rapers, serial killers, kidnappers,etc.
Well, thats the only solution, I lived in a city in Mexico with lots of violence because most of the leaders of the country's drug organizations lived there (yep, the famous ones from the FBI posters: El Chapo Guzman, Amado Carrillo, among many others), you had at least 4 killings every day, and big shootings often, (even using AK47s with drum barrels, RPG launchers, etc).
So, if this is the only solution, I agree, same for serial rapers, serial killers, kidnappers,etc.
get off the clouds mate..how is it a solution? drugs keep getting smuggled, addicts keep shooting up, murderes keep murdering...what good comes from the execution of a young person without the chance to reform for his mistake? The whole idea of punishment is to rehabilitate a person so they can be a productive member of society, who are we to rob a person of that right? If you believe in the death penalty then maybe you should be pulling the lever! put yourself in the shoes of that family for 2 mins and you'll understand how barbaric it is!
I've visited Singapore, and it's a beautiful country. SQ is probably the best airline I've ever been on, and those people have an unbeatable work ethic for what they've done in the past 40 years. But...
This death penalty is draconian and disgusting. Even though I'm 100% against capital punishment, I see where the principle of "a life for a life" comes from. It makes sense, though I don't subscribe to the thought. But A life for 14 oz Heroin? I can't finalize if that's mocking the value of life or inflating the value of drugs.
As pointed out, what has their stupid law acheived? The same sentence points out over 100 deaths have been attributed to drugs in6years also argues the sentence kerbs the drug trade. Perhaps what this comes down to is Singapore, extreme social conservatism. I can understand people may not readily accept homosexuality or abortion. I cannot understand why much of the press has to be under a government entity. Or why an ordinary citizen is not allowed to own a satelite dish (SingTel, which if I recall is state-run, had the only satelites I noticed).
Even worse that simply applying this measure is who it's been applied on. A foreign national running drugs not for his benefit but for his brother's. The law is supposed to be somewhat flexible in cases like this, and the government could have agreed to a lesser sentence, like 20 years in prison or another draconian but better measure-caning.
All in all, a sad day for Singapore. I hope no one in Orchard St. sang Majulah Singapura today.
Singapore regime needs to get it's house in order...the crime he committed is nowhere near worthy of the death penalty, just the violent death he suffered is criminal itself! I've read some disturbing reports on this case and they show no compassion at all, his mother was not even allowed a final hug yesterday...they have 90mins to collect the body or its cremated, the family recieves 13 photos of him from prison to remind them of what he could have been! very disturbing to say the least...the govt of Singapore has treated ours with contempt, at APEC recently the Singapore PM neglected to inform our PM of the impending execution date. Let's not fuck about here, he made a serious error in attemting to traffick drugs to Australia, but he did NOT deserve to be executed.
nothing is gained from this senseless act, those in Australia saying hang him i feel may take this stance due to his Asian origins.
While, I am personally opposed to the death penalty (we here in Cali will be offing a gangbanger soon) however when you are in another country it is wise to know the rules keep your nose clean. This idiot very likely knew the consenquenses of his actions, took the gamble and lost BIG! Very much like what happened to those 2 Aussie smugglers in Malyasia back in the 80s. As the old saying goes "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".
get off the clouds mate..how is it a solution? drugs keep getting smuggled, addicts keep shooting up, murderes keep murdering...what good comes from the execution of a young person without the chance to reform for his mistake? The whole idea of punishment is to rehabilitate a person so they can be a productive member of society, who are we to rob a person of that right? If you believe in the death penalty then maybe you should be pulling the lever! put yourself in the shoes of that family for 2 mins and you'll understand how barbaric it is!
If you start to punish the smuglers seriously (not with 4 years in a mild security prison), and I'm refering to the biglords, Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman got about 10 years in a maximum security prison and fled about 1 year later, some sources say that actually he never entered the prison.
So if you start from this, you can end the problems. The Colombian president Alvaro Uribe is doing a lot against the FARC guerillas and the drug organizations (thats why neither the FARC members and drug organizations want him re-elected).
While, I am personally opposed to the death penalty (we here in Cali will be offing a gangbanger soon) however when you are in another country it is wise to know the rules keep your nose clean. This idiot very likely knew the consenquenses of his actions, took the gamble and lost BIG! Very much like what happened to those 2 Aussie smugglers in Malyasia back in the 80s. As the old saying goes "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".
Aldo
show some bloody respect..you come from one of those dogbox countries which is responsible for the scurge that is drugs and the misery of society, hanging a courier does nothing to stop the drug flow, it never has and it never will! the real people they should be hanging out to dry are you Cali countrymen who manufacture death and export it to societies vulnerable. He may have been foolish and naive, in Singapore you don't even get a chance to repatriate yourself from that, you have no recourse and your not able to be heard or speak out against your sentence! nothing fair or rational about that!
and the icing that tops it all off, the Singapore govt invests billions of $ each year into Burma, the heroin capital of the world and Australia's largest supplier, so before Singapore govt takes the high moral ground it should take a look at it's own complicit dealings in death each day!
Originally posted by Felipe Garcia
If you start to punish the smuglers seriously (not with 4 years in a mild security prison), and I'm refering to the biglords, Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman got about 10 years in a maximum security prison and fled about 1 year later, some sources say that actually he never entered the prison.
So if you start from this, you can end the problems. The Colombian president Alvaro Uribe is doing a lot against the FARC guerillas and the drug organizations (thats why neither the FARC members and drug organizations want him re-elected).
those people aren't smugglers/couriers, they are the manufacturers and they are the ones that need to be stopped, the courier is usually just a simple person who needs to make a few dollars, they stand to get very little from the process, hanging them does NOTHING to stop drug use/trafficking. It's a sad world we live in when we have to execute the little people for doing the big peoples dirty work!
[QUOTE=Longreach747]show some bloody respect..you come from one of those dogbox countries which is responsible for the scurge that is drugs and the misery of society, hanging a courier does nothing to stop the drug flow, it never has and it never will! the real people they should be hanging out to dry are you Cali countrymen who manufacture death and export it to societies vulnerable. He may have been foolish and naive, in Singapore you don't even get a chance to repatriate yourself from that, you have no recourse and your not able to be heard or speak out against your sentence! nothing fair or rational about that!
and the icing that tops it all off, the Singapore govt invests billions of $ each year into Burma, the heroin capital of the world and Australia's largest supplier, so before Singapore govt takes the high moral ground it should take a look at it's own complicit dealings in death each day!
Get over your self, putz. BTW, 'Cali' is slang for California, moron. Let's see, idiot goes to Singapore to smuggle drugs disrespects local laws, attempts to bring said narcotics back to Aussie and sell on the streets of Melbourne, idiot gets busted, idiot is no more.
Oh Monty, you're australian, thats why you supported the guy hehe.
In that case, I agree with you, but, the Singapore govt is starting from the little things.
There are 2 choices, hang all the involved ones or legalize drugs. That's the reason you have no problems in the Netherlands, weed is legal.
it's nothing to do with his nationality, he's actually Vietnamese/Australian, it's about punishment fitting the crime. capital murder by the state is still murder no matter which way you look at it! nothing good comes from it!
I think it's wrong to hang him - no matter the circumstances. no human has the right to take life, that's up to god! Anyone who disagrees should therefore be prepared to put the rope around Van's neck and pull the lever. Starting with Prime Minister Lee.
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