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  • herpa2003
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    True, Europe has had some terrorism in the past but nothing near as significant as 9/11. You don't just let 3,000 people get murdered and not do anything about it...you fight, to make sure it doesn't happen again, and so far, it hasn't.

    About the Pentagon- No, it isn't anything related to anything corporate. It is the headquarters of the US military, and the plane hit on the US Army side...

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  • zak
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    Originally posted by herpa2003

    This makes me sick. After living in Western Europe for 3 years, I know that America and Europe are very similar in a lot of different ways. Blaming America for 9/11 is just wrong, its like blaming the UK or Canada for 9/11. They hate us because we are the strongest, we are the only superpower left in this world. That's it, plain and simple. Corporate places were not the only targets in 9/11; have you forgotten about the Pentagon and UAL Flight 93?
    so what is the pentagon? the tool to project corporate american interests into other countries. just like the nsa or cia.
    and who knows where ual 93 was supposed to go.
    and yes america and europe are similar in maany ways. but very different in very fundamental ways. foreign politics come to my mind. due to the "leftism" present in europe and our past, we abandoned imperialism, either directly or indirectly. and it is strongly opposed by europeans as a whole.
    and the press is very different aswell. we dont have the huge media conglomerates control whatever is in our papers but a more diverse media leading to a different public perception of things. after all people in europe are not as "afraid" as americans from terrorism because we all had home grown terrorism in the 70ies and learned one important lesson from it. that you dont fight fire with fire. i think thats a very fundamental difference, however living in europe for 3 years might not have made you notice it. instead of creating more stringent laws and strict regulations after the terror waves of the 70ies we did the liberal approach and all of a sudden terrorism disappeared except some incidents on the french departement of corsique and in pays vasco in spain.

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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by zak
    Originally posted by Chris Kilroy
    Originally posted by zak
    of course any muslim term is coined towards terror and hate these days in the usa, and thats something to worry about.
    Gee, I wonder why that could be...

    Maybe it's because every time you turn around, they are blowing something full of innocent people up?

    isnt it all about perception? and most people in the middle east dont percieve americans as innocent as americans, mainly due to certain doctrines in american foreign politics. i see it merely as a resolt of american foreign policy that for the first time had some collateral damage not only in other countries but after all in their own country aswell. you might wanna ask about the people of chile about september 11, that is when the usa backed the assasination of salvador allende 1972, who was democratically elected but "too socialist" and therefore didnt fit into what the cia wanted.
    its all about perception, and sadly the u.s. american september 11th triggered even more terror in the name of freedom which is however causing less and less freedom in YOUR own country and terror in other countries. there is always only one winner. corporate america. and with 9/11 the target were not the american people but corporate america. thats what the american people dont seem to understand, but after all they have become slaves of corporate america themselves AND even defend it even tho they are the ones suffering most. the anti americanism you can see throughout the world is just that the rest of the world doesnt want to turn into workers for a corporate society.
    perception. of course its disorted in a controlled censored media. even if its only self censored by the media because its corporate controlled and they only show what caters to their case.
    noone has anything aginst americans(except some idiot extremists found on every side of every medal). i think thats something important to point out in this context
    This makes me sick. After living in Western Europe for 3 years, I know that America and Europe are very similar in a lot of different ways. Blaming America for 9/11 is just wrong, its like blaming the UK or Canada for 9/11. They hate us because we are the strongest, we are the only superpower left in this world. That's it, plain and simple. Corporate places were not the only targets in 9/11; have you forgotten about the Pentagon and UAL Flight 93?

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  • zak
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    Originally posted by Chris Kilroy
    Originally posted by zak
    of course any muslim term is coined towards terror and hate these days in the usa, and thats something to worry about.
    Gee, I wonder why that could be...

    Maybe it's because every time you turn around, they are blowing something full of innocent people up?

    isnt it all about perception? and most people in the middle east dont percieve americans as innocent as americans, mainly due to certain doctrines in american foreign politics. i see it merely as a resolt of american foreign policy that for the first time had some collateral damage not only in other countries but after all in their own country aswell. you might wanna ask about the people of chile about september 11, that is when the usa backed the assasination of salvador allende 1972, who was democratically elected but "too socialist" and therefore didnt fit into what the cia wanted.
    its all about perception, and sadly the u.s. american september 11th triggered even more terror in the name of freedom which is however causing less and less freedom in YOUR own country and terror in other countries. there is always only one winner. corporate america. and with 9/11 the target were not the american people but corporate america. thats what the american people dont seem to understand, but after all they have become slaves of corporate america themselves AND even defend it even tho they are the ones suffering most. the anti americanism you can see throughout the world is just that the rest of the world doesnt want to turn into workers for a corporate society.
    perception. of course its disorted in a controlled censored media. even if its only self censored by the media because its corporate controlled and they only show what caters to their case.
    noone has anything aginst americans(except some idiot extremists found on every side of every medal). i think thats something important to point out in this context

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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by zak

    of course any muslim term is coined towards terror and hate these days in the usa, and thats something to worry about.
    Well, when the phrase you said was the same phrase said by the 19 muslims who crashed 4 planes and killed 3,000 + people, of course we will be pissed off! As a matter of fact, when I read that post, I was more than pissed. It took all of my self control not to come back insulting you...

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  • Chris Kilroy
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    Originally posted by zak
    of course any muslim term is coined towards terror and hate these days in the usa, and thats something to worry about.
    Gee, I wonder why that could be...

    Maybe it's because every time you turn around, they are blowing something full of innocent people up?

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  • zak
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    just a quick reply to all the feedback:

    it is very open to interpretation, i wrote it intentionally that way to see reactions. freedom is the most important thing people have, and yeah if you understand freedom in a "pure" way it also gives you the freedom to attack whoever you want, the freedom to party whenever you want and also the freedom to choose whatever religion you want or even more important choose to have no religion at all.

    of course any muslim term is coined towards terror and hate these days in the usa, and thats something to worry about. thanks for proving my point that certain people tend to claim all the freedom for themselves but exert the opposite towards other countries and dont even notice it

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  • herpa2003
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    [img]freedom to wage war ! lets celebrate! allahu akbar![/img]


    Actually, that is a very important freedom. Without it, we could be taken over by countries like the Vatican, if we aren't able to wage war and fight back

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    Everyone is all about american freedom, terrorist, blah blah... We need to look back to when it all began and why we really celebrate this wonderful occasion:

    We celebrate: When our for-fathers told the King of England to F#ck off and gave him The Bird. That is what we celebrate.

    So, to all you in England: Eat my shorts! *the bird*


    DeltaASA16

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  • tommyalf
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    Originally posted by zak
    freedom to wage war ! lets celebrate! allahu akbar!
    Zak I'm not about to start a flame war but your comment is totally out of line and inappropriate. It truly sickness me when I see derogatorily comments like yours. America's actions over the past year and a half have not only set people free but have given people a choice in the way they live there life. America has never waged war against an innocent country and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    You know I just came back from a block party where people of all races and religions came together to celebrate our independence. Everybody there saw beyond skin color, and morale beliefs to celebrate our freedom and the American way of life. Just before everybody started to leave we all came together and sang our national anthem and paid respect to our flag, the troops overseas, and our country. I just don't understand why people like you can sit there and beat America down time and time again. Chris I'm sorry but the only thing I can say to Zak is pull your head out of your ass and thank god for the American way of life. Based on your profile I don't know if you live in the U.S but if you do you are a total disgrace to America, the troops serving overseas, and the flag that I proudly solute and would DIE for. You took a post here in the forums that gave thanks to our freedom and smeared it. I will ask Chris not to take any actions against you because this is an American run site and based on the American Constitution, Freedom of speech is a basic right to all Americans, but you should sit back and thank our founding fathers that Freedom of speech and expression exist in our great nation.

    Happy 4th of July America, May God Bless all Americans and the American way of life.

    Regards
    Tom Alfano

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  • AndresDuque
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    zak is not "allahu akbar!" is Allah Akbar. I learned that from a friend of mine that is from Pakistan.

    HAPPY 4th!!!

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  • JCS17
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    freedom to wage war ! lets celebrate! allahu akbar!
    Can I recommend http://www.IfYouDontLikeAmericaThatMuch.com/ThenLeave

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  • nyc_spotter
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    Originally posted by zak
    freedom to wage war ! lets celebrate! allahu akbar!
    I bet with that latest edition of Flight Simulator 2004 comes out you'll stand at the computer store, think about America's freedom to wage war, and decide against buying it.

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  • Leftseat86
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    freedom to wage war ! lets celebrate! allahu akbar!
    You belong somewhere else.

    -Clovis

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  • G-MIDY
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    Happy Independence Day from merry old England

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