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  • expoITHscohen
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    So much truth to that too.

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  • billiam
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    One point I haven't seen brought up was that right before the current intifada, during a peace summit in July 2000 at Camp David, Israel agreed to withdraw from 97% of the West Bank, 100% of the Gaza Strip, dismantle most of the settlements, and create a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. The only concessions Arafat had to make were to acknowledge Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (that is, not the entire Temple Mount), and to agree to three early warning stations in the Jordan Valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years.

    The Palestinian negotiators wanted to accept the deal, but Arafat rejected it. According to the principal U.S. peace negotiator, Dennis Ross, the critical issue was the clause in the agreement that said the conflict would now be over. Arafat, whose life has been governed by that conflict, Ross said, simply could not end it.

    Fast foward to today, where Israel has done part of what they wanted to do 6 years ago (withrawing from Gaza, and in process, forcibly removing their own people from Gaza), and what do they get? Rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. There is no inducement by the Arab world on the Palestinians to weed out militants who seek the destruction of Israel, hence those who do want to live in peace, side by side with Israel, have no voice. Those are some real disenfranchised voters... Speaking of which, since the Saudis, and UAE, and other Arab countries that are very rich, why don't they pour money into palestine so their fellow Arab brothers won't have to live in poverty? If they can build all those hotels and islands in the UAE, surely they can build some nice apartments and houses in Palestine. Could it be that they want to continue to allow the Palestinians to channel their current plight into hate for Jews and Israel? Food for thought indeed....

    In the end, the current cycle of violence lay squarely on Arafat . If there is peace now between Palestine and Israel, there would be more momentum by the Lebanese to clean house. Which brings up the fact that the UN passed a resolution, 1559, a while back that was supposed to get the Lebanese gov't to deploy its troops and drive hezbollah out. If they had done that as well, then hezbollah wouldn't have done what they've done, and Israel wouldn't need to do what the Lebanese gov't has so far refused to do. All they're saying right now is "lets have a cease fire". They need to tack on "and we'll take care of hezbollah". If they come out and say that, and follows through, Israel will lower their "level" quite quickly.

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  • screaming_emu
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    Originally posted by expoITHscohen
    A lot of people don't realize, these attacks have been going on against Israel since it first became a state. Honestly, this is the same way the 6 day war and the Yom Kippur war started. Terrorist came into Israel and either fired upon soilders or kidnapped them. Why is Israel the "Bad Guy" when this happened? Honestly, I love how the media screws everything up in the world. IE. Vietnam war. We were doing perfectly fine, winning the war and everything, then one day our Embassy gets blown up. Nothing big, but the media was there. From that point on, every photo, news report shown, showed the USA getting crushed.
    These attacks have been occuring for al ong time, in both directions. Hitting back isn't going to do anything but make things worse. I konw its hard, but just try to look at it from a non-biased point of view. There are people on the Palestinian side who are saying the EXACT same things about Israel. I see the exact same thing here all the time, people say we are right in everything we do, simply because they happen to live here..which is BS.

    And doing fine in Vietnam? You have to be joking, right?

    Originally posted by ATLcenter
    No one said Israel is the bad guy. Or I didn't anyway. I am saying that Israel should expect to get more violence and bloodshed as a result of this. Have terrorists been attacking Israel since inception? Sure. But Israel is no angel either, and neither group is working toward a solution. Both sides keep giving the other side a reason to retaliate. Want to end terrorism? Okay, go invade Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Kuwait, etc. Make it the Middle East of Israel. Want to get rid of the Zionist state? Iran supposedly has nukes...it shouldn't take more than three to get rid of everything.

    The point is, both sides are being complete idiots. There is no 'bad' guy- just two old fools battling it out.
    hey, we actually agree on something, high five! Its nice to see someone who has the gift at looking at certain situations from a completely non biased point of view. Who gives a damn who is "the bad guy". Neither side is completely right, neither is completely wrong, all that matters is figuring out what exactly is the root of the actual problem, and working on that. But too many people are too quick to go to war...and its funny how a majority of them seem to be of a certain political party that is always talking about "the sanctity of life" when it comes to a certain other issue.

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  • ATLcenter
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    Originally posted by expoITHscohen
    Amen brother!

    A lot of people don't realize, these attacks have been going on against Israel since it first became a state. Honestly, this is the same way the 6 day war and the Yom Kippur war started. Terrorist came into Israel and either fired upon soilders or kidnapped them. Why is Israel the "Bad Guy" when this happened? Honestly, I love how the media screws everything up in the world. IE. Vietnam war. We were doing perfectly fine, winning the war and everything, then one day our Embassy gets blown up. Nothing big, but the media was there. From that point on, every photo, news report shown, showed the USA getting crushed.
    No one said Israel is the bad guy. Or I didn't anyway. I am saying that Israel should expect to get more violence and bloodshed as a result of this. Have terrorists been attacking Israel since inception? Sure. But Israel is no angel either, and neither group is working toward a solution. Both sides keep giving the other side a reason to retaliate. Want to end terrorism? Okay, go invade Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Kuwait, etc. Make it the Middle East of Israel. Want to get rid of the Zionist state? Iran supposedly has nukes...it shouldn't take more than three to get rid of everything.

    The point is, both sides are being complete idiots. There is no 'bad' guy- just two old fools battling it out.

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  • expoITHscohen
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    Originally posted by herpa2003
    Members of Lebanon's government attacked Israel. They have been attacking Israel with rockets for years, but a few days ago they crossed the border and took 10 Israeli soldiers away from their families. This was an act of war, and Israel responded as so. Don't blame Israel, blame Iran, Syria and their puppets in the Lebanese government who started this whole mess.
    Amen brother!

    A lot of people don't realize, these attacks have been going on against Israel since it first became a state. Honestly, this is the same way the 6 day war and the Yom Kippur war started. Terrorist came into Israel and either fired upon soilders or kidnapped them. Why is Israel the "Bad Guy" when this happened? Honestly, I love how the media screws everything up in the world. IE. Vietnam war. We were doing perfectly fine, winning the war and everything, then one day our Embassy gets blown up. Nothing big, but the media was there. From that point on, every photo, news report shown, showed the USA getting crushed.

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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by ATLcenter
    So then don't root for a side. I fully expect Lebanon to (rightfully) retaliate by sending in tanks to Tel Aviv or blasting people on street corners. Why? Revenge. Don't bomb airports, fly your Israeli flags, and cheer when you know what will be coming in less than two weeks. I'm disgusted by both Israel and the terrorists in this instance, and I can't see one apart from the other to be honest. If you can smile when Israel kills 40 in Lebanon, you'd damn well better smile when some Hezbollah nut kills 40 in Tel Aviv because they are doing the same thing.

    I understand Israel has an absolute right to defend itself, but so do the Lebanese people. Don't chide one party while encouraging another to do the same thing.

    What is the message here? Don't mess with Israel or we'll bomb your runways? Bull. This is an invitatino to twenty teenage men in Syria and Lebanon to find as much C-4 as they can, march to Jerusalem or Haifa or where ever and hit a little trigger. This sort of action almost seems expected when Israel goes out and does something like this.
    Members of Lebanon's government attacked Israel. They have been attacking Israel with rockets for years, but a few days ago they crossed the border and took 10 Israeli soldiers away from their families. This was an act of war, and Israel responded as so. Don't blame Israel, blame Iran, Syria and their puppets in the Lebanese government who started this whole mess.

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  • ATLcenter
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    Originally posted by expoITHscohen
    Thank you.



    You have a good point there. It is one of lifes mysteries. Fighting won't neccisarly work in the long run, but it is the only thing that is working right now. I am sure a plan will be made up eventually that will help aid a solution but it takes time. Until then, your right, there will just be more and more killing. Kinda sad actually



    FCK YEAH!!!
    So then don't root for a side. I fully expect Lebanon to (rightfully) retaliate by sending in tanks to Tel Aviv or blasting people on street corners. Why? Revenge. Don't bomb airports, fly your Israeli flags, and cheer when you know what will be coming in less than two weeks. I'm disgusted by both Israel and the terrorists in this instance, and I can't see one apart from the other to be honest. If you can smile when Israel kills 40 in Lebanon, you'd damn well better smile when some Hezbollah nut kills 40 in Tel Aviv because they are doing the same thing.

    I understand Israel has an absolute right to defend itself, but so do the Lebanese people. Don't chide one party while encouraging another to do the same thing.

    What is the message here? Don't mess with Israel or we'll bomb your runways? Bull. This is an invitatino to twenty teenage men in Syria and Lebanon to find as much C-4 as they can, march to Jerusalem or Haifa or where ever and hit a little trigger. This sort of action almost seems expected when Israel goes out and does something like this.

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  • indian airlines
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    Originally posted by Crunk415balla
    They just said on CNN 5 airliners were able to escape Beirut durring a break in the attacks. The clips they showed were all MEA A321/330's.
    Here's a little more detail on that:

    In an unusual deal that the United States helped broker, a runway at the Beirut airport was repaired long enough to enable six planes -- one carrying former Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Nakati -- to take off. Israeli forces soon after bombed the runway again.

    www.cnn.com

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  • screaming_emu
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    Originally posted by DAL767-400ER
    That's bullsh!t, and you know it. The EU is nowhere near anti-Israel. The EU has just had enough of the Middle East war crAp in general. You can bet the EU is condemning the terrorists, especially after the Madrid and London bombings. Seriously, if the EU were anti-Israel, it could as well have helped the Arabian countries "solve the problem". Just because the EU doesn't say "oh, poor Israel, why can't they be left alone by those evil, evil Arabs" doesn't mean the EU won't support Israel, it's just that Israel really isn't only a victim, on the contrary, they are partially responsible for the mess they are in themselves.
    No Colin, you forget, that if you dont like something, you're suddenly "Anti" or "Un" it. Like I dont like our current government so I'm "Un-American" [/sarcasm]

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  • MaxPower
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    Originally posted by Crunk415balla
    They just said on CNN 5 airliners were able to escape Beirut durring a break in the attacks. The clips they showed were all MEA A321/330's.
    Thank g-d they were able to escape out of that "battle field. Last thing we want to see is seeing MEA's aircrafts having the same fate like Kuwait's aircrafts back in the 90's where they got destroyed, bombed whatever you call it.

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  • screaming_emu
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    Originally posted by expoITHscohen
    I just have a question for you. I know you are going to give a great answer (You always do) but what is the difference of terrorist killing only civilians vs Israel killing mainly terrorist and only killing a few civilians? Yes, it is wrong that civilians are dieing, but this goes to my point of the Arab terrorist are attacking ONLY civilians where as the Israelie army is trying to only attack terrorist.
    That is a valid point, but all I was saying was that its just not going to matter. In war, you're going to have innocent casualties no matter how hard you try. Again, i dont claim to have the answer, but a large scale military attack is going to do nothing but create more suicide bombers...which is what I thought everybody is trying to avoid.

    Originally posted by herpa2003
    Good for Israel! An act of war by Lebanon (the terrorist group Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government) was met with swift response by Israel.

    Good for the United States as well! GWB today called the terrorists in the Middle East (Hamas/Hezbollah) "pathetic" and reaffirmed that Israel has the right to defend itself.

    Then, the UN tried to approve a resolution ordering Israel to stop its Gaza offensive. The United States promptly vetoed and killed this resolution. The world needs to learn not to fuck with the Israelis...
    Please tell me exactly how you think this is actually going to solve anything?

    Originally posted by expoITHscohen
    Honestly, the right country to blame is England. If they didn't promise two different groups of people the "holy land" none of this would of happened.
    maybe true, but both sides need to get their heads out of their asses, forget about what happened way back then and figure out what to do now. Till then the middle east will be a bloodbath.

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  • Crunk415balla
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    They just said on CNN 5 airliners were able to escape Beirut durring a break in the attacks. The clips they showed were all MEA A321/330's.

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  • indian airlines
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    Originally posted by herpa2003
    The world wouldn't use nukes, but the United States probably would if its survival depended on it.
    And if such a situation was to arise, how would it be different from North Korea or Iran using nukes if their survival depended on it?

    Originally posted by "herpa2003
    Also, I can't envision a situation in which the entire world (England, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, all close allies of us) would somehow turn against us. That's sort of like saying that you could take on the Royal Marines if they were all unarmed and you had an M60 with an unlimited supply of ammo-probably, but it just won't happen.
    Yeah, I wasn't saying it would ever happen...I was talking hypothetically - if it was to ever happen.

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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by indian airlines
    Completely untrue. The world would not have to resort to using nukes - pure military force would be more than sufficient. Maybe the US has the most powerfuly military force, but standing alone against the rest of the world it means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Unless the US fires its nuclear weapons first and forces nuclear retaliation, there is no dramatic armageddon coming like you just said.

    You can go on believing whatever you want to believe though...
    The world wouldn't use nukes, but the United States probably would if its survival depended on it.

    Also, I can't envision a situation in which the entire world (England, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, all close allies of us) would somehow turn against us. That's sort of like saying that you could take on the Royal Marines if they were all unarmed and you had an M60 with an unlimited supply of ammo-probably, but it just won't happen.

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  • indian airlines
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    I'm sorry, but that just isn't so. The US has the most powerful military on the planet, but that wouldn't matter. The day that the United States is in danger of being destroyed is the day that the world ends. The world would have to resort to using nukes to destroy us, we would lob nukes back, and boom, no more world. You may be right according to pre-1945 logic, but nuclear weapons changed all of that.
    Completely untrue. The world would not have to resort to using nukes - pure military force would be more than sufficient. Maybe the US has the most powerfuly military force, but standing alone against the rest of the world it means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Unless the US fires its nuclear weapons first and forces nuclear retaliation, there is no dramatic armageddon coming like you just said.

    You can go on believing whatever you want to believe though...

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