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  • You know your state's social system is f*cked up when...

    (just need to vent)

    ...as an 80-year old, you still have to work, because the pension from the fund you contributed to for half a decade isn't enough to survive.

    ...when Turkish kiosk owners can get away with supposed turnovers of 5 per day and never get controlled by the state's financial department if they might be cooking the books.

    ...when you have to pay a 4-digit sales tax on a 4-digit turnover.

    ...when a woman has contributed to the pension fund with large sums for 30 years, and yet won't get a single friggin' cent out of the fund before the age of 65, despite not being able to work anymore because her health is ruined.

    ...when everyone in the whole damn city knows that the delivery service that just opened 2 months ago is just used to wash money, and no authority gives a damn about it.

    ...when as an honest business person, you have had no less than 7 visits by tax control wanting to know whether you manipulate your number, whereas at the same time that dubious company down the road with unrealistic dumping prices not even gets one single visit.

    ...when you can just declare private insolvency after screwing a company out of a 6-digit sum of money. Unless of course if you own property, which will then have to be sold to pay off all debts.

    ...when you must have your life insurance paid out and all the money used up before the state grants you even one dime of pension.

    ...when certain "ethnical minorities" get away with car crashes that were just used to screw the insurance, yet when you just have a dent in your bumper, your insurance goes up at least 25%

    ...more to come...

    God, I hate this f*cking state.


  • #2
    Damn, that sounds pretty bad! didn't know things were like that in Germany. Is there any reason why the government is that corrupt? I'm sure they're not so stupid that they'd skip over obvious lawbreaking companies and people.

    Car insurance is a scam in many cases. It costs us a grand a year to insure our 4000 dollar '99 Corolla. wtf?

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    • #3
      Things are much better here in the United States. You should move here!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JSchraub
        Things are much better here in the United States. You should move here!
        Better, but not problem-free.

        Something I've always wondered is on what basis all these people immigrate to Europe. Are they refugees, skilled workers, or something of that type? I've heard a lot of Toronto's Sri Lankan community is formed by refugees from the civil war...is something like that going on?

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        • #5
          You will be on the "deported" list soon.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ATLcenter
            Damn, that sounds pretty bad! didn't know things were like that in Germany. Is there any reason why the government is that corrupt? I'm sure they're not so stupid that they'd skip over obvious lawbreaking companies and people.
            Well, there's two factors. First one is obviously the money (read: corruption/bribery/ridicolous wages for nothing), and to a lesser degree also the popular "Why you go after me? Oh I know, you Nazi"-card.

            Originally posted by ATLcenter
            Car insurance is a scam in many cases. It costs us a grand a year to insure our 4000 dollar '99 Corolla. wtf?
            It is a scam in most cases. I was actually involved in such a case myself. Was driven through a Turk-heavy neighborhood on delivery, and looking for a parking a space. Now, I supposedly drove backwards into another car behind me and caused a damage. Now, this is where things got interesting. First of, the car I was driving has a parking assistant, so if I were driving backwards towards another object, the alarm would have gone of, which it didn't. Also, supposedly my round bumper (out of plastic) damaged the metall license plate of the car. Well, didn't think much about it, there was no damage visible other than the license plate, so I said let the insurance handle it, I suspected it was just a screwjob anyway. Well, nothing happened, until after 8 (!) weeks we got a call from the supposed owner that an "expert" had estimated a damage of 600! Long story short, my father openly accuses the owner of insurance fraud, that guy called him a racist, we handed everything over to insurance who took care of it, who had their own expert look at the car, who pointed out that the car already had been involved in an accident beforehand already. Another month passed, and suddenly the car owners had dropped the "damage costs" to 230 (from 600!) and had their lawyer call use racists again. Well, our insurance company was also very suspicious of them and took care of everything, as we haven't heard anything new about it for a few months now. But it just shows with what kind of tricks those folks work.

            Originally posted by JSchraub
            Things are much better here in the United States. You should move here!
            I would love to, but I doubt you have a free Green Card to spare .
            Originally posted by ATLcenter
            Something I've always wondered is on what basis all these people immigrate to Europe. Are they refugees, skilled workers, or something of that type? I've heard a lot of Toronto's Sri Lankan community is formed by refugees from the civil war...is something like that going on?
            The official excuse in most cases is that they are either from regions were there is a war going on, or because they are being discriminated against in their country for their believes and/or orientation. Though in all likeliness, most of them nowadays come into our countries to enjoy our social programs. After all, they don't have to contribute to any funds, yet they get heaps of money out of them.

            Oh yeah, and not to forget the also very popular method of "I lost passport, I no home country", in which cases you can't send those folks back because they have no country to be send back to. Very popular among Africans.

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            • #7
              I'm sensing some very anti-Turk sentiments here, eh Colin?
              "The Director also sets the record straight on what would happen if oxygen masks were to drop from the ceiling: The passengers freak out with abandon, instead of continuing to chat amiably, as though lunch were being served, like they do on those in-flight safety videos."

              -- The LA Times, in a review of 'Flightplan'

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              • #8
                Originally posted by indian airlines
                I'm sensing some very anti-Turk sentiments here, eh Colin?
                Hell, I'd be pissed off to no end either. I have a feeling immigrants to Europe aren't as 'functional' in their respective societies as immigrants to N. America. But that's just a hunch.

                I think people play the race card FAR too often, and that cheapens the meaning of the word. And insurance is a very easy thing to take advantage of. I remember my mom slightly rear-ened this guy who slammed the brakes because the light turned. We pulled over, and saw a big dent on this guys car. Well, naturally, we thought "oh...shit!" But the guy said it was already there, and left without even getting our phone number.

                There's honesty (or is it luck) for you!

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                • #9
                  Things are heading that way here too. Just look at our illegal immigrant situation. They can go to a hospital and get treatment, and it gets paid for by welfare. If you are an American Citizen and don't have insurance you have to pay for treatment. An just look at the situation with the Border Patrol Agents who shot at the illegal immigrants/drug dealers that threatened them. Yesterday the news came on and said one of them was beaten up by illegal immigrants being held in the prison they were sent to. And Bush and his cabinet don't even give a shit. And if all 11 million are given amnesty, I don't wanna see what's going to happen. And yes, people do play the race card pretty much anytime it is to their advantage.

                  Also I remember a German I talked to in the summer who said that she is a school teacher and that Turks come there and don't want to learn German, but just want the benefits, just like the illegal immigrants we have here. That type of stuff is certainly maddening.

                  I'm certainly pissed about some of the stuff that's going on here, and I see why Colin is too. People know about how things are and many come just to take advantage and nobody seems to have to balls to stand up against the bullshit for fear of being called insensitive or racist even though a majority of the country agrees whats going in is ridiculous.

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                  • #10
                    Something that scares me about the way this country is going is that when someoen says 'immigrant', the assumption is 'illegal immigrant'. Most of the German Turks are (I believe) legal immigrants. So who takes any blame? Is it? The immigrant that takes advantage of the system or the legislature that lets it happen? In our case, all the laws in the world won't put a dent in illegal immigration unless there is enforcement. Germany's case is pretty different, unless Turkey ends up joining the EU after all.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ATLcenter
                      Something that scares me about the way this country is going is that when someoen says 'immigrant', the assumption is 'illegal immigrant'. Most of the German Turks are (I believe) legal immigrants. So who takes any blame? Is it? The immigrant that takes advantage of the system or the legislature that lets it happen? In our case, all the laws in the world won't put a dent in illegal immigration unless there is enforcement. Germany's case is pretty different, unless Turkey ends up joining the EU after all.
                      The legislature is the one that makes it possible for people to take advantage. And yeah, you are right about the enforcement, and if they keep putting Border Patrol agents in prison for shooting at drug runners it's only gonna get worse. As for Germany's system, I don't know how they differentiate legal from illegal, but as Colin said if they use this excuse "I lost passport, I no home country" and the Germans let them stay legally, or if they are just allowed in then they are "legal". But it seems like it's similar to illegal immigrants to the US, they just come as they wish and are just given legal status. The difference between that and the US, is that here they are still illegal immigrants and it's illegal to employ them and they can/should be deported. Unfortunately, this isn't being enforced and the problem has become so large that it's probably gonna be impossible to do anything about it. If the illegal immigrants in the US are given amnesty then they couldn't even be deported just like there.
                      A side effect of this is that people are believe that all immigrants are illegal just because of ignorance.

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                      • #12
                        Yea, but they still have to take a plane to Munich or Berlin. They can't just swim across the Rio Grande and get transportation to Los Angeles. These illegal immigrants also take lower paying manual jobs. I wonder what kind of jobs Turks take in Germany. I know whenever an eastern european country is let into the EU, there seems to be a surge of unskilled labor from that coutry toward western Europe. Is it something like that?

                        Something funny I just noticed on LH's website... they allow one way tickets on LH USA, but not LH Turkey (and a lot of other countries)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by indian airlines
                          I'm sensing some very anti-Turk sentiments here, eh Colin?
                          No anti-Turk sentiments in general, just anti-sentiments against the folks that come into this country for the social benefits. Turks are just the largest group, followed by Afghans and Central-Africans.

                          And before anyone tries to pull the race card, it has nothing to do with race. I'd be equally p!ssed if French, Brits or Americans tried to pull the same, but fact of the matter is, they don't. For years, our neighbor house was an asylum from people from all kinds of nations, and I have heard and seen stuff that makes me question our system. For example, an Afghan family. Mother, father, and no less than 7 kids. Essentially, all these kids were just 1 year older than the next younger one. The youngest kid was 8 years old, and the family had been in the country for the same time. So in essence, for every single year they spent in Germany, the wife birthed another baby. Now, be aware that the more kids you have, the more social support you get. Call me paranoid, but to me it smells like taking money from the state for nothing. And not to mention that the so-friendly father called my dad a Nazi on more than one occassion and let out such peaceful sentences as "We Afghans f*ck you Germans! We f*ck you all!"
                          There's more stories like this that I could tell you about, but they are not worth my time.

                          Oh yeah, and as for why Germany isn't being more strict about immigrants, that's reason lies in WWII, because every time something bad happens to or for immigrants in Germany, it is being said that it's our Nazi tendencies that every single German supposedly has. As some people have said, Hitler wanted the 1000-years-long Third Reich, but now Germany has to live with 1000 years of atonement.

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                          • #14
                            I know exactly where you're coming from Colin. I don't think I'm the only one who feels that the white working/middle class taxpayer is becoming the most persecuted member of society. Recently the government announced plans for even more road use charging. You'd have to pay for a box so that you can be tracked for every mile you use. Pay to be taxed even more. Fabulous idea. There was a thing you could sign up for opposing this scheme on the government website. Of course they didn't tell anyone about it but a radio and internet campaign alerted people. Over 1 million registered their opposition. The government response was to say that "strong public opinion doesn't solve congestion problems". In other words we don't care what you think and we're going to continue bleeding you all dry in as many ways as possible. Once you're in the system you've had it. Be a couple of days late renewing your car-tax and you can bet a SWAT team will be round like lightening to clamp you. Drive unlicenced and uninsured; kill a couple of OAPs and get a slap on the wrists and be told not to do it again.
                            Oh yeah and while we're at it we're going to start charging you for every kilo of rubbish your dustman takes away and spend loads of money installing security chips in your bins to make sure. But hey lets not give a flying f*ck that criminals don't have to go to jail anymore because they are full. I could go on....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by robw
                              I know exactly where you're coming from Colin. I don't think I'm the only one who feels that the white working/middle class taxpayer is becoming the most persecuted member of society. Recently the government announced plans for even more road use charging. You'd have to pay for a box so that you can be tracked for every mile you use. Pay to be taxed even more. Fabulous idea. There was a thing you could sign up for opposing this scheme on the government website. Of course they didn't tell anyone about it but a radio and internet campaign alerted people. Over 1 million registered their opposition. The government response was to say that "strong public opinion doesn't solve congestion problems". In other words we don't care what you think and we're going to continue bleeding you all dry in as many ways as possible. Once you're in the system you've had it. Be a couple of days late renewing your car-tax and you can bet a SWAT team will be round like lightening to clamp you. Drive unlicenced and uninsured; kill a couple of OAPs and get a slap on the wrists and be told not to do it again.
                              Oh yeah and while we're at it we're going to start charging you for every kilo of rubbish your dustman takes away and spend loads of money installing security chips in your bins to make sure. But hey lets not give a flying f*ck that criminals don't have to go to jail anymore because they are full. I could go on....
                              Wow, thats awful, I didn't realize things were getting that bad over there Charging you for a box to track your road use WTF, how does that even work, talk about totalitarianism. Hopefully here that kind of stuff wont come to pass over here, people wouldn't stand for it.

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