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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by screaming_emu
    translated "when a few people die its a tragedy, when a lot of people die its a statistic". Classy man, real classy.
    Translate it whatever way you want; the flag was not meant to be flown at half-staff every single day. It reduces the meaning. I believe that when a soldier is killed in Iraq, the flags should be lowered in that soldier's hometown, not nationwide. We can't lower the national flags for everyone...soldiers, police officers, firefighters-all are heroes and all die pretty much every day. It is a tragedy when they do die, but bottom line is that nationwide the flags should stay up (barring any special circumstances).

    Those 9 soldiers that were killed in Iraq all came from my hometown. Trust me, my family is dealing with the effects of the attack. And I believe that the flags in my immediate area, as well as the flags in each of the soldier's hometowns, should be lowered. But keep the flags up everywhere else.

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  • screaming_emu
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    Originally posted by herpa2003
    In that case flags would be flown half-staff 24/7, 365 in this country and it would reduce the meaning of the symbolic gesture. I hate to say it, but our soldiers die every day. What happened at Virginia Tech doesn't.
    translated "when a few people die its a tragedy, when a lot of people die its a statistic". Classy man, real classy.

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  • herpa2003
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    Originally posted by Dantheman
    It ticks me off when I see kids killed this way.

    It also ticks me off when the President issues a proclamation order for flags to be flown at half-staff honoring the VT kids but none for the 9 soldiers that were recently KIA in Iraq.
    In that case flags would be flown half-staff 24/7, 365 in this country and it would reduce the meaning of the symbolic gesture. I hate to say it, but our soldiers die every day. What happened at Virginia Tech doesn't.

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  • screaming_emu
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320
    Actually, the states where the dead soldiers are from generally do fly their flags at half-staff.
    I dont think that was really his point. I think he was pointing out that when 33 people die here at home its a huge deal, but there are many more people who have died in Iraq lately and all we get from him is "stay the course". He's in denial.

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  • Airbus_A320
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    Originally posted by Dantheman
    It ticks me off when I see kids killed this way.

    It also ticks me off when the President issues a proclamation order for flags to be flown at half-staff honoring the VT kids but none for the 9 soldiers that were recently KIA in Iraq.
    Actually, the states where the dead soldiers are from generally do fly their flags at half-staff.

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  • Dantheman
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    It ticks me off when I see kids killed this way.

    It also ticks me off when the President issues a proclamation order for flags to be flown at half-staff honoring the VT kids but none for the 9 soldiers that were recently KIA in Iraq.

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  • Japan AirLines747
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    It's just terrible!!

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  • Crunk415balla
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    He compares himself to Jesus...if only someone had shot him as he spoke.

    From what CNN has said, his room-mates and everyone had tried to befriend him and help him. How the hell do you help a nut like that. Some people are just pure evil-this is a prime example.

    The things he says in that video are not only idiotic and psychotic but eerily chilling.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...te-cnn-partner
    I quickly dove under a desk that was the desk I chose to die under. He then began methodically and calmly shooting people down. It sounded rhythmic like he took his time in between each shot and kept up the pace, moving from person to person. After every shot I thought, "OK, the next one is me." Shot after shot went off and I never felt anything. I played dead and tried to look as lifeless as possible. Sometimes after a shot, I would hear a quick moan, or a slow one, or a grunt, or a quiet, reserved yell from one of the girls.
    Good god...

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  • Tanner_J
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    www.cnn.com

    They're all there.

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  • Crunk415balla
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    Originally posted by Tanner_J
    No comments on the videos and pictures the dumbass sent to NBC in between killings?

    While watching tv tonight I heard someone outside my dorm yell "I'll do it!" and it was followed by four loud bangs. Called the police, dispatcher unbelievably said "well it's probably fireworks" and told us they'd send somebody. Took between 5-10 for someone to arrive. Kind of crazy response from the police considering what just happened.
    What a thing to assume on the part of the police dispatcher after what just happened!

    I haven't seen the video yet, heard 20 different stories about it and the pictures, but I'll wait until I see them myself.

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  • Tanner_J
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    No comments on the videos and pictures the dumbass sent to NBC in between killings?

    While watching tv tonight I heard someone outside my dorm yell "I'll do it!" and it was followed by four loud bangs. Called the police, dispatcher unbelievably said "well it's probably fireworks" and told us they'd send somebody. Took between 5-10 for someone to arrive. Kind of crazy response from the police considering what just happened.

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  • Crunk415balla
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    Originally posted by Messerschmitt Man
    Obviously it's a sad event but what get's me is the over-the-top media coverage of things like this that happen on American soil when yesterday 33+ innocent Iraqi's most certaintly died as a result of Bush's illegal occupation in Iraq but does that make the news? Nope because it's normal now that innocent Iraqi's die each day, are they any less human than the white american? I dont think so. In perspective this shooting is nothing, dont let western media give you a slanted view on world events.
    To make a long story short. While every death is a loss, a state of war exists in Iraq and has existed there for years, car bombings don't have the effect on the American public they did at the start of the occupation. This is civillian on civillian, and hits much closer to home. While morally its wrong to say that this was worse than Iraq recently, but in the eyes of those watching the news here in the U.S., they more than likely feel it is.

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  • Bok269
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    Originally posted by screaming_emu
    I get what you're saying but you can't live your life like that. In our society it is quite easy to do someone harm if you so desire, but you gotta just live your life to the fullest instead of dwelling on the negative. Not to bring politics into this, but look at what the "oh my god, everyone is out to get us" mentality has done to our country. We're paranoid and seeing threats that really aren't there.
    Especialy considering the career choice many of us have made or will make. Just because a jerk in a cave decided to send 19 thugs to kill innocent Americans doesn't mean we should be scared from the flight deck. Should the concern be gone? No. Should we let it get in the way of doing what we love? No. Should we be alert? yes.

    Originally posted by Messerschmitt Man
    Obviously it's a sad event but what get's me is the over-the-top media coverage of things like this that happen on American soil when yesterday 33+ innocent Iraqi's most certaintly died as a result of Bush's illegal occupation in Iraq but does that make the news? Nope because it's normal now that innocent Iraqi's die each day, are they any less human than the white american? I dont think so. In perspective this shooting is nothing, dont let western media give you a slanted view on world events.
    Every life lost is a tragedy. Be it Iraqi or American. Most of the times, when a car bomb kills an Iraqi, it is reported here. That being said, the reason every Iraqi death doesnt get reported and those that do not with the depth of this case here is because while I hate to put it this way, deaths are expected because it is a war zone. This was a college campus, a place where people should go to learn and to enjoy some of the best years of their life. People are supposed to feel secure there. Not to mention the fact that many local families (at least in the east coast) are mourning their children. Is the media slanted? Yes. All media is. Do I think they have done wrong by covering this case? No. The coverage of this case will hopefully allow future lives to be saved.

    Originally posted by Leftseat86
    Gun control is not the issue here.

    I'm for alot of gun control, but it just is NOT the issue here. The issue is what, in society, in a person's psyche, drives them to say "that is a means to my end", "that is ok", "this is a good idea". It's neglecting to take good care of the mentally ill, of recognizing signs of it. It's about parenting and instilling the right values and ideas in children. It's about a culture of violence and fear, one that has pretty much consumed the United States for the last 30 years. It's about people being divided instead of united, and distancing the ideas of valuing human life and individuals.

    If this kid couldn't have gotten a gun, he would still be fucked in the head, and that is the bottom line. That is where the problem lies.
    I agree with you except for one thing. His history of mental health issues should have blocked him from buying a gun. With his mind, his issues, and his anger, he was a danger to both himself and those around him.

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  • Star Alliance
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    Originally posted by screaming_emu
    quote adjusted for accuracy
    Haha, don't push it
    I too like your avatar, btw.

    In all seriousness, I shamefully haven't expressed my empathy for these poor students, families, and entire communities that were shattered in this tragedy. May God have mercy on this sick man's soul, who robbed these kids of their entire lives. I can only hope that this group of people will come to forgive this man for what he has done; I know that I couldn't.

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  • JordanD
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    Originally posted by Messerschmitt Man
    Obviously it's a sad event but what get's me is the over-the-top media coverage of things like this that happen on American soil when yesterday 33+ innocent Iraqi's most certaintly died as a result of Bush's illegal occupation in Iraq but does that make the news? Nope because it's normal now that innocent Iraqi's die each day, are they any less human than the white american? I dont think so. In perspective this shooting is nothing, dont let western media give you a slanted view on world events.
    There's always one isn't there...

    Nobody is saying that "white Americans" are more valuable than Iraqis. By the way, if you would actually look at some of the press coverage, you would see that some of the victims were black, Indian, etc. The reason this is getting so much press coverage over here is that it hits damn close to home for most of us. I can't speak for you, but I doubt that if 32 people got gunned down on a campus in New Zealand you would be expressing the same opinion. Nobody's giving us a slanted view on world events. People are going to mourn tragedies that happen near their own homes.

    Joe, great avatar.

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