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  • Dmmoore
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    As long as the price of oil remained cheap enough, the cost of developing alternative sources of energy precluded their development. As the price of oil raises, the development of oil sand and oil shale becomes practical. But it requires oil prices above US $70 per barrel to be cost effective.

    Attracting the kind of capitol required to develop these resources isn't going to happen unless investors are convinced the price of oil was going to remain higher than the break even figure for producing their product.

    The supply of energy will increase but the cost will be far higher than the cost of oil extracted in the traditional manner.

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  • Schorsch
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    Reading all this discussions, maybe bombs, invasion and endless civil war also a viable mean to secure oil sources. It would reduce the happiness about having oil under your sand.

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  • Sparky
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320
    I think many see being a leader as kind of of an entitlement bestowed upon them for whatever reason, family name, 6 degrees from Yale/Harvard, divine right, etc. Kinda of like how kings believed they were placed in power by god. And they are out of touch with reality for the non-elite majority of the country.

    At least it's good to see that (so far) we can have these kinds of discussions without raising too much hell, and having the B& Hammer coming down all over the forums.
    I agree that it is nice that we can discuss these things civily.

    I have been dismayed by the Bush dynasty, and their apparent disavowal of the U.S. (When you buy thousands of acres in another country to retire in....well...at leats explain it to the peopple who's treasuere you have spent...)

    I was always wary of posting in political forums, as they are as charged as religious forums.

    Civil discussion can occur in both settings, if people follow simple manners.

    Manners are like locks, they are not to keep things safe, but people one step away from (cheap shots, and / or) temptation.

    Properly used, they make for lively exchanges of ideas.

    Curiosity didn't kill the cat, lack of restraint did.

    Sparky

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  • Airbus_A320
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    I think many see being a leader as kind of of an entitlement bestowed upon them for whatever reason, family name, 6 degrees from Yale/Harvard, divine right, etc. Kinda of like how kings believed they were placed in power by god. And they are out of touch with reality for the non-elite majority of the country.

    At least it's good to see that (so far) we can have these kinds of discussions without raising too much hell, and having the B& Hammer coming down all over the forums.

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  • Sparky
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320
    My point is that we are currently ahead because of what we did in the past. In past we drilled for our oil, built refieries, airports, highways, etc. However the current policies of for example not drilling in Alaska, off of Florida, and in other places on our own territory because of environmental concerns, or because "that oil well out there will spoil my view from the beach" leaves us at the mercy of whatever happens in other parts of the world, many of them quite unstable, while we have a lot right in our back yards that we don't touch. While the Chinese for example couldn't give a rats ass about the environment and will do whatever is necessary to keep their economy going. If we don't do something to stay ahead we will be left behind. For some reason people got the idea in their head that the world has gotten to point that it is at currently, and then has become static, and nothing will change. We aren't keeping up with places like China, sure we are currently still ahead of them overall, but they are catching up, and we aren't going anyplace because all we care about now is being PC and solving everyone elses problems except our own. Just look at all the money being wasted in the Middle East so we can get a few drops of oil from governments who go against all the prinicples that the US was founded on, while we have a hell of a lot in our own territory, but won't go after it because we are afraid to tell PETA, Greenpeace, and others to piss off.
    One would like to think that our all seeing wise leaders in the U.S. are playing a wise strategic hand, allowing the energy resource holders to deplete their assets, whilst we wisely hold ours in reserve.

    Wasting our youth and treasure in the Middle East seems counter to that position...

    I have lost the view that we have deep thinkers in position of authority in the conduct of U.S. foriegn and domestic policy, or they are at least doing a very Confucian job of steering our policies...

    I see more greed than reason, but has it not always been so, but less discernable?

    Sparky

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  • Airbus_A320
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    Originally posted by Rabbi O'Genius
    Actually,this is a domain where "we" are ahead.
    Directional drilling dates back to the 1940s, and was not invented by the Chinese.
    None of the world's top fifteen extended-reach wells was drilled by the Chinese.
    Additionally, some of my best friends are......etc
    My point is that we are currently ahead because of what we did in the past. In past we drilled for our oil, built refieries, airports, highways, etc. However the current policies of for example not drilling in Alaska, off of Florida, and in other places on our own territory because of environmental concerns, or because "that oil well out there will spoil my view from the beach" leaves us at the mercy of whatever happens in other parts of the world, many of them quite unstable, while we have a lot right in our back yards that we don't touch. While the Chinese for example couldn't give a rats ass about the environment and will do whatever is necessary to keep their economy going. If we don't do something to stay ahead we will be left behind. For some reason people got the idea in their head that the world has gotten to point that it is at currently, and then has become static, and nothing will change (except global warming, which is being caused by us, and only us, and the processes that shaped the world we have now have completely ceased to function, and all climates would remain the same as long as we didn't have Hummers and Escalades :rolleyes: ) We aren't keeping up with places like China, sure we are currently still ahead of them overall, but they are catching up, and we aren't going anyplace because all we care about now is being PC and solving everyone else's problems except our own. Just look at all the money being wasted in the Middle East so we can get a few drops of oil from governments who go against all the principles that the US was founded on, while we have a hell of a lot in our own territory, but won't go after it because we are afraid to tell PETA, Greenpeace, and Al Gore to piss off.

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  • Sparky
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    Originally posted by tds
    It's a question of the source's credibility, which does cut across issues.
    Mayhaps true.

    There is also "Don't shoot the messenger."




    http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/08/Wo...l_near_K.shtml

    Sparky

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  • Rabbi O'Genius
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320
    Yes, and the first airplane only flew a few hundred feet. The point remains, if we don't keep up, we get left behind.
    Actually,this is a domain where "we" are ahead.
    Directional drilling dates back to the 1940s, and was not invented by the Chinese.
    None of the world's top fifteen extended-reach wells was drilled by the Chinese.
    Additionally, some of my best friends are......etc

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  • tds
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320
    And you completely divert the issue... the article I posted was for the factual examples regarding oil drilling.
    It's a question of the source's credibility, which does cut across issues.

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  • Airbus_A320
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    Originally posted by Rabbi O'Genius
    The article somewhat overplays the risk of the chinese "stealing" the US oil reserves - the longest horizontal well in the world only has a reach of about 7 miles.
    Yes, and the first airplane only flew a few hundred feet. The point remains, if we don't keep up, we get left behind.

    I suggest you spend a little while investigating that august publication and its apparent affiliate The Barnes Review; you may discover many controversial opinions. Some might say that the good Rabbi's co-religionists are not held in highest regard by the editors, if you catch my drift...
    And you completely divert the issue... the article I posted was for the factual examples regarding oil drilling.

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  • tds
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    Originally posted by Rabbi O'Genius
    The article somewhat overplays the risk of the chinese "stealing" the US oil reserves - the longest horizontal well in the world only has a reach of about 7 miles.
    I suggest you spend a little while investigating that august publication and its apparent affiliate The Barnes Review; you may discover many controversial opinions. Some might say that the good Rabbi's co-religionists are not held in highest regard by the editors, if you catch my drift...

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  • Rabbi O'Genius
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    Originally posted by Airbus_A320

    Here is an interesting article, although a bit dated, but still: http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm..._drilling.html


    Either way, that's my opinion on the issue of oil.
    The article somewhat overplays the risk of the chinese "stealing" the US oil reserves - the longest horizontal well in the world only has a reach of about 7 miles.

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  • Airbus_A320
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    Originally posted by 3WE
    Regardless of why our oil is under thier sand, the result is that there's an awful lot of our money on top of their sand.

    If oil does come from decomposed swamps it is an interesting geology question as to why the oil is under a desert.
    Regardless of what today's enviro-crusaders/wackos got a large amount of the population to believe. Climate change does happen on its own, without any help or hindrance from us, and what was a swamp millions of years ago can very well be a desert today, or vice versa. There is also continental drift as stated before. The processes that formed the earth and are still happening, and they aren't going to stop. Climate change will continue to happen weather or not you stop driving your SUV or not. To me it's really quite arrogant to believe that a species that has been around a few thousand years can have a drastic effect on something that has been around for millions of years. When we finally end up wiping ourselves out of existence, everything will continue on as if we were never here.

    There is oil in places other than the middle east. Including right off of our very own coastlines. Unfortunately, the same people who complain about having high gas prices and dependence on unstable 3rd world countries, also don't want to have their view ruined by one of those unsightly oil rigs, while they slow roast themselves on the beach. Or they are worried about killing a few fish/deer/termites, or whatever it may be depending on which geographic region you are referring to. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, it seems that saying is very hard to understand for many.

    And people can talk about alternative energy from corn, tree bark, horse shit, blah blah blah, etc, etc. Eventually it will probably come to pass, but for the time being we are going to use oil. Even if a source of energy that could effectively replace oil was created/discovered tomorrow, is everyone going to go out and replace/modify everything they have overnight? No. And nothing happens overnight anyway. So I'd rather see some drilling around the US, in Alaska, off the coast, etc than depending on unstable 3rd world countries. Back when most of our infrastructure was developed, nobody whined about the environment, this, that, and the other thing. If we had the attitude we have today throughout history, we would still be living in caves and afraid to start a fire too cook something because it might kill some ants. It's easy to take the moral high road when you already have everything you need, however things do get outdated, and if you don't keep up, you get left behind. And that's exactly what's happening to the US, being getting left behind, and its nobody's fault but our own. There hasn't been a new refinery since the 70's IIRC. And places like China are going to keep advancing, and the more we cry over stupid stuff, the better it is for them.

    Here is an interesting article, although a bit dated, but still: http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm..._drilling.html


    Either way, that's my opinion on the issue of oil.

    Originally posted by Lomcevak
    Sometime around 1972, Jimmy Carter [remember him] said the US is too dependent on foreign oil, and asked people to drive slower and turn down the heat in their homes. He sat in the pval office wearing a cardigan.
    And do you seriously believe that the, cardigan didn't come off, and heat didn't go right back up (if it was ever actually turned down in the first place) after the speech? :rolleyes:

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  • Spike
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    Originally posted by flyboy2548m
    He can nail together one mean bungalow. At least, so I've been told.
    God must think so too, because basically the only buildings left standing after a hurricane flattened most of Homestead Fla were those put together by the peanut farmer.

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  • flyboy2548m
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    Originally posted by Vnav
    On a related note, in 1973 then Gov. Carter appeared on the TV gameshow 'What's my Line' and nobody was able to guess who he was or what he did.
    He can nail together one mean bungalow. At least, so I've been told.

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