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  • Question for Germans: speeding tickets, what to do?

    I have had a speeding ticket (Anhörung im Bussgeldverfahren, Regierungspräsidium Kassel/Hessen) for blasting over the Autobahn at 121 where only 100 is allowed (I just hope I did not break any windows when I broke the soundbarrier ). Now normally I can follow German texts quite well, but this letter is a bit too difficult for me to make sense from.

    Wherever I look I am unable to find the amount of money, or the bank account to put the money on. All there is, is a form for me to put the details of the driver on (me!). Do I always have to fill this in, or only when someone else was driving?

    Also, the letter was dated for the 4th, and I have to reply within a week. Even if I put it on the mail tonight it won't arrive in time. Will this be a problem?
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  • #2
    Start crying. Wait, that only works for chicks.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Verbal
      Start crying. Wait, that only works for chicks.
      Actually, that only works for chicks that have been pulled over. An unmanned speed camera does not care, neither does the computer that sends the automated letter.
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      • #4
        It is an "Anhörung" they found out that you are the owner of the car, but you do not need to be the driver. So now you could name the driver. If you return it empty or not all you will get the ticket with the next letter.

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        • #5
          I am dutch, but I am living in Germnay for almost 13 years now. I suppose you're the owner of the car? If so, it probably means they're asking you who was the driver. Background: The owner of the car is never responsible; in Germany one needs the actual driver. The state is not allowed to assume that the owner is also the driver.

          You'll get a second letter if you don't do anything or admit you were the driver. In this letter you will be accused to be the driver as well. That letter will also have details where and what to pay.

          It gets interesting if you ignore this letter as well. In Germany (at least for graver issues) a police man will visit then you with the picture they've taken and try to identify. He'll also ask the neighbours and so on. How this works in Holland, I don't know. They may also choose to drop the case because it's not grave and it isn't wortth the hassles....
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          • #6
            Originally posted by seahawk
            It is an "Anhörung" they found out that you are the owner of the car, but you do not need to be the driver. So now you could name the driver. If you return it empty or not all you will get the ticket with the next letter.
            So the ticket won't get increased if I do not respond. Because in NL they send the ticket and accept-giro immediately, and if you do not respond will increase the ticket immediately as well. Of course if you want to fight the ticket in NL that is possible.

            How long will it take for the real ticket to arrive? A month or so?

            Also, I just checked your fines. They are much cheaper then here! It's not fair. Not only can you drive much faster, even if you do go too fast the consequence is not nearly as bad!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by arnie
              It gets interesting if you ignore this letter as well. In Germany (at least for graver issues) a police man will visit then you with the picture they've taken and try to identify. He'll also ask the neighbours and so on. How this works in Holland, I don't know. They may also choose to drop the case because it's not grave and it isn't wortth the hassles....
              Damn, that's really gestapo like. They definatley do not do that here. Well, maybe if you killed someone, though sometimes I even doubt that.

              p.s. I see this is your first post. Welcome on board!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Petertenthije
                Damn, that's really gestapo like. They definatley do not do that here. Well, maybe if you killed someone, though sometimes I even doubt that.

                p.s. I see this is your first post. Welcome on board!
                Thanks! I already have 13 (!) pictures up and nine in the queue.... It's actually less gestapo like because the police must prove you're the driver (and not the other way around like in Holland .
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Petertenthije
                  Damn, that's really gestapo like.
                  Instead of mixing up things that really have no relationship I suggest you to accept the procedure. As it is and always was: Other countries, other procedures. And you already admitted to have broken the law...

                  Fortunately, I have a cousin in italy who visits me sometimes and also drives my car, even crossborder
                  .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by arnie
                    I am dutch, but I am living in Germnay for almost 13 years now. I suppose you're the owner of the car? If so, it probably means they're asking you who was the driver. Background: The owner of the car is never responsible; in Germany one needs the actual driver. The state is not allowed to assume that the owner is also the driver.

                    You'll get a second letter if you don't do anything or admit you were the driver. In this letter you will be accused to be the driver as well. That letter will also have details where and what to pay.

                    It gets interesting if you ignore this letter as well. In Germany (at least for graver issues) a police man will visit then you with the picture they've taken and try to identify. He'll also ask the neighbours and so on. How this works in Holland, I don't know. They may also choose to drop the case because it's not grave and it isn't wortth the hassles....
                    The police only comes, when you say you were not driving the car and that you do not know who did. If you say you did drive the car, do not answer at all or name the real driver, then the police won´t come.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bleuair
                      Instead of mixing up things that really have no relationship I suggest you to accept the procedure. As it is and always was: Other countries, other procedures. And you already admitted to have broken the law...

                      Fortunately, I have a cousin in italy who visits me sometimes and also drives my car, even crossborder
                      Calm down. I am man enough to accept getting a ticket. I will pay, as soon as I find out how. It's just that my German language skills are inadequate for the instructions on the anhörung. As can be expected from a official government document, you need half a degree just to understand the opening paragraph. German is even worse at is since they contract several words together making words long enough to be a sentence in many other countries (e.g. Strassenverkehrszulassungsordnung)!

                      As for the gestapo comment, that was aimed at officers asking next door neighbours if they can recognise the speeder from a photo. There is no way that would be accepted in NL for a petty crime like speeding.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Petertenthije
                        As for the gestapo comment, that was aimed at officers asking next door neighbours if they can recognise the speeder from a photo.
                        I guess these officers would not be very happy about being compared to the G.! We all know about this period in history and about the things the G. did and their outcome.

                        This is really nothing to make jokes with IMO, even if you're Dutch and the stamp on your letter is from Germany. This is over...

                        And for the language:
                        since they contract several words together
                        Try Greenlandic - you'd hug (virtually) our neighbours
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