ATF: Plot by skinheads to kill Obama is foiled

[A332]

Two Neo-Nazis held in Tennessee; allegedly also planned to kill dozens

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/

WASHINGTON - A plot by two Neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Barack Obama and kill dozens of other African Americans has been foiled, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Monday.

Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Ark., were charged Friday with making threats against a presidential candidate, illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun and conspiracy to rob a gun store.

[JordanD]

You know, this sickens me and saddens me at the same time, but I can't help but laugh at how retarded these guys sound.

" Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states.

Don't tell me he's in on it too.

[Crunk415balla]

Why would Nazis be shooting on a fellow Nazi?

Care to ellaborate, ATFS_Crash?

[ATrude777]

Why would Nazis be shooting on a fellow Nazi?

Care to ellaborate, ATFS_Crash?

I read the article where does it say Obama is a Nazi based on your statement "a fellow nazi"?

Alex

[Simpleboy]

ATFS_Crash has repeatedly compared Obama to the Nazi's in many of his politically fuelled posts.

SO were trying to work out why people on the same side are plotting to kill each other.

[Mungous]

perhaps Obama is more like a fascist Jew...?

[bobby]

Makes me even more proud of the state I live in!!!

[ATFS_Crash]

Why would Nazis be shooting on a fellow Nazi?

Care to ellaborate, ATFS_Crash?

So you don’t think it is possible that there be violence between similar splinter groups? Using that logic there must hardly be no violence in the Middle East. So you don’t think there’s any violence in Iraq between Sunni and Shia?

IMAO

I have a difference of opinion between what the article is calling neo-Nazi. I don’t consider skinheads to be neo-Nazis. Sure in some respects they are neo-Nazis because they are more modern versions of Nazis however they still have almost identical rhetoric as legacy/traditional/conventional/historical Nazis; so therefore I would consider them legacy/traditional Nazis.

I would consider fascist liberals like Reverend Wright, Black Panthers, La Raza, ETC… to be neo-Nazis/neofascist. Neofascists/neo-Nazis are not necessarily racist/bigoted against the same skin color/or religion. They will exploit hatred against any race or religion to advance their agenda and gain power. By changing the race but they are prejudiced against they reinvent themselves to try to make their hatred more palatable by appealing to the more politically correct popular form of racism at a given time. It also is a plausible deniability argument. Neo-Nazi/neofascism is often just fascism/Nazi-ism that is adopted by different racial groups to be used against races that are not traditionally the same target.

It’s much like George Carlin said, the next (or new) wave of fascism/Nazi-ism will not look the same as traditional fascism. It will be happy smiley face fascism. In other words fascism does not necessarily stay in its legacy/traditional form. On the contrary the most popular form of fascism and Nazism will likely look entirely different and have similar but different sounding rhetoric. More popular fascism will be reinvented/morph to try to escape the legacy and criticism. Fascism will be popular because it will attach itself to popular feel-good causes like it has in the past (though the causes may not be identical).

Nazi-ism or fascism is not always in traditional form; on the contrary the traditional forms are less popular at the moment; the reinvented/disguised forms of Nazi-ism and fascism ( neo-Nazi-ism and neofascism) is much more popular today thanks to political correctness. Movements often go through metamorphosis and splinter.

I would consider Legacy/conventional Nazis to have very similar rhetoric, methodology and agenda as German World War II Nazis. However that is easily recognizable as Nazi-ism, to gain popularity I feel that Nazi splitter groups reinvent themselves rename their rhetoric to be less recognizable therefore to be more palatable so that a simple person won’t correctly associate them with Nazis and so that the differences will try to insulate them/inoculate them from criticism and direct obvious recognition. Plausible deniability.

With neo-Nazis like Democrats. Racism against Jews is reinvented/re-coined as hatred and envy of “big business” and Israel. It’s essentially the same thing in different wrapping.

Also remember that Nazi-ism is not as simple as most people try to represent it. Remember that the party had extreme diametrically opposed agendas on some issues much like with the Democrats (that often take extremist polar opposite views). Such as with homosexuality. Within the elite SS and some of the training for the Nazis homosexuality was tolerated and/or actually encouraged. Meanwhile for the typical German or German subjects the common homosexual was often oppressed, victimized, institutionalized, or exterminated.

Remember that the causes do not always stay the same and often there is a metamorphosis of rhetoric after a party gains power.

Remember that the rhetoric always doesn’t match the actual agenda or outcome. Such as the liberals promises to lower gas prices; since which they have doubled and have refused to allow real changes that would slow the skyrocketing of prices and the faltering economy.

Remember that a party’s promises/rhetoric is not always followed. Such as the Republicans attempt to keep a cap on spending and keep government small; yet often when they get into power they essentially become tax and spend liberals.

Legacy Nazis thugs wore brown shirts as symbols of their fascism. Remember that neo-Nazis are often reinventing their agenda and changing colors to make their Nazi and Fascist rhetoric less obvious. The neo-Nazi/neofascist often wears pink, like in code pink; or green, as environmentalism/global warming advocates. The Nazis/fascists have a history of reinventing themselves by hijacking so-called good causes, popularizing them and radicalizing them to gain power and advanced their agenda of hatred, and to breakdown, divide and conquer.

Remember that when Nazis were the minority and weak in power they were advocates of the right to bear arms; however once they gained power the policies pretty much swung to the polar opposite.

Modern legacy Nazis such as skinheads often try to hang on the coattails of Republicans/conservatives, because the Republicans/conservatives protect the constitutional rights to bear arms and free speech. The legacy Nazis want to use the free speech to gain power and they want the right to bear arms too intimidate and as force multipliers if they ever choose to become violent. Yet if you look at the core values of the Nazis/neo-Nazis/fascists/neofascist they are more in line with the liberal/Democrat core values/agenda/rhetoric.

The neo-Nazis/neofascists (Democrats and such) are already popular and in power therefore they are taking the polar opposite on gun rights and free speech issues. The Democrats want more gun controls subverting the Constitution. The Democrats want to suppress criticism, therefore they are advocating such things to suppress free speech as the deceptively named “fairness doctrine” which is an attempt to try to suppress conservative radio and the Fox news network.

Don’t let names and name changes fool you. The “fairness doctrine” is anything but fair. If a conservative tried to do a show against child molestation; the show would be required to give opposing views advocating child molestation. I find this absurd and counterproductive to force on political opinion talk shows, and the free press. The “fairness doctrine” would be the end of free press. The “fairness doctrine” is nothing more then a neo-Nazi/neofascist attempt to suppress freedom of the press and to suppress opposing views and criticism.

So I guess you’ve never heard of a Nazi shooting a fellow Nazi? Did not Hitler (by proxy) and his henchmen shoot some of their own party members?

perhaps Obama is more like a fascist Jew...?

I think it would be ridiculous to call Obama a fascist Jew.

However as ridiculous as fascist Jew sounds; there is such a thing. Take George Soros for example. He is one of the richest persons in the world and was raised as a Jew, he helped strip property and rights from Jews and deport them for the Nazis during World War II. By the way the Democrats are in bed with him and he has been convicted of insider trading.

SO were trying to work out why people on the same side are plotting to kill each other.

Suggested reading. The Bible. The Sneetches (Dr. Seuss).

[Crunk415balla]

And elaborate you did.

I never said Nazis have never shot other Nazis. I mean when I was a male prostitute everyone was killing everyone and we all worked for the same pimp.

[ATFS_Crash]

I mean when I was a male prostitute everyone was killing everyone and we all worked for the same pimp.

What are you Hitler reincarnated? It has been long suspected because the evidence suggests that Hitler was a male prostitute servicing men at bathhouses known for homosexual prostitution in his youth. Allegedly recently found police documents seem to suggest that Hitler was arrested for prostitution at one of those bathhouses.

[Crunk415balla]

What are you Hitler reincarnated?

I'll be whatever you want for $45 and a decent dinner.