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  • Obamaís administration says no one should fly or take mass transit.

    Though this has to do with aviation safety I thought I would put it in off-topic because my post is largely political.

    Joe Biden of Obamaís administration recommended that people shouldnít fly or take mass transit. While there is some truth to what he says; it is a somewhat hysterical overreaction.

    Obamaís administration suggested not making unnecessary air travel; yet hypocritically the Obama administration had Air Force One go on a low-level joyride photo op; without giving the general public notification; thereby inducing panic, wasting tax payer money, fuel/energy, costing businesses and the public a fortune for the collateral damages from the panic that the Obama administration induced.

    The amount of ignorance, ineptness and hypocrisy from the Obama administration is laughable and scary. Itís hard to believe Obamaís claim that he didnít know where ďAir Force OneĒ was.

    Lets see. We scold automotive manufacturers for wasting money and fuel taking relatively small biz jets back and forth to meetings; yet the fascist liberals squander taxpayer money and fuel ďAir Force OneĒ to have a dedicated photo shoot mission? Why couldnít this photo shoot opportunity been done in transient on one of many of Obamaís trips to the area; rather than having a dedicated photo op mission?

    The fascist liberals (and the liberal media) seemed to expect Bush to micromanage and have knowledge and take responsibility for everything that happened during his administration. So why isnít the media and the liberals holding Obama and his administration to the same standard? Shouldnít Obama and his administration realize that doing a surprise low-level pass near the former World Trade Center site would induce panic? Itís ignorant AND hypocritical.

    The interview of the White House staff was pathetic and hilarious; it made Bush look like a professional and a genius. The Obama administration kept telling the reporters not to ask them, to ask the White House administration. Haha fascist liberals are so dumb and to used finger-pointing ( blaming) the White House administration; that they forgot that they are the White House administration.

    I think it demonstrates how inept, out-of-control, thoughtless, and careless that this administration is. Taxpayer money being squandered to terrorize residents of New York City by the Obama administration. When they finally realized ex post facto how dumb their plan was; it seems they went on a witchhunt for a scapegoat.

    It seems that Obama is trying to outdo Clinton. Clinton got a multimillion dollar ďhaircutĒ (that may have been a BJ from a prostitute that was fronting as a hairdresser) on AF-1. I think they shut down all air traffic within 50 miles while Clinton got about an hour long ďhaircutĒ. A lot of air traffic had to hold and be redirected.

    When you add up all the lost business (and other expenses) from Obamaís Air Force One New York City photo shoot, it may very well be a billion-dollar photo.

    Clinton gets some trim.

    Haircut Grounded Clinton While the Price Took Off
    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN,
    Published: Friday, May 21, 1993


    It may have been the most expensive haircut in history.

    Two of Los Angeles International Airport's four runways were shut down for nearly an hour on Tuesday, some incoming flights were delayed and Air Force One sat on the tarmac with engines running -- all so that President Clinton's Beverly Hills hairstylist, Chistophe, could come aboard and give Mr. Clinton a high-price trim before he took off for Washington.

    Questions about Mr. Clinton's runway razor cut dominated the White House news briefing today, with the communications director, George Stephanopoulos, scrambling to explain why the populist President tied up one of the country's busiest airports to have his hair trimmed. Everybody Does It
    Source and full story
    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/21/us...tml?sec=&spon=

    It's not the cost of the actual "haircut" itself that so outrageous, it's what it cost in fuel and what it cost the airline industry and other businesses that suffered because of the delays because of Clinton's "haircut". It's all so outrageous because Clinton was possibly getting more than his "haircut". Possibly Air Force One at taxpayer expense was used by the president as a brothel and at the expense of business because of redirected and delayed flights.

    I feel most of the public is greatly underestimating the costs of such a stunt. I feel he is just estimating the costs of operating the aircraft itself but not the collateral costs to the public and the businesses. I suspect the collateral costs may run as high as a billion or more. From what I understand businesses were shut down and were evacuated. There may have even been the physical injuries during evacuations and there certainly was psychological trama to many New Yorkers. This stunt will likely cause many New Yorkers to have psychosis ( flashbacks, panic attacks, anxiety, etcÖ) that will result in loss of work efficiency and reduced physical and mental health. Some people will likely lose their jobs because they will become so psychotic that they will be less productive at work. The stunt will result in increased health costs whether it be from physical injuries from the evacuations or from psychiatric counseling and medications.

    Itís much like in the case of Clintonís ďhaircutĒ ( that was suspiciously like a front for an encounter with a prostitute). The cost of the ďhaircutĒ itself was trivial. The cost to the taxpayers to operate the aircraft on the ground while getting his ďhaircutĒ was likely hundreds of thousands of dollars which was significant to the taxpayer; however it is probably minor compared to the collateral damage that was done to businesses that had to suffer delays and have their flights rerouted. Companies probably lost business deals and probably had to pay penalties for being late. People probably had to pay more for many things like day care, lodging, etcÖ because of delays incurred from Clintonís ďhaircutĒ.

    Letís take a few hypothetical situations. Letís say your aircraft is waiting for a part that is on a Delta Dash delivery and your aircraft is grounded until the part is received and installed, if the flight for your part is delayed than your company is hemorrhaging money. Letís say there is a blackout; and the local utility is waiting on a part or a service specialist to be flown in; but they are delayed resulting in more costs to the utility company and to the public. Letís say youíre having a transplant and waiting on a replacement heart; but you end up dying because the heart is delayed and is useless by the time it arrives.

    Often the collateral costs are much higher than the obvious costs. Think a little deeper.

    The White House said that the reason for the flyby was a photo op mission; they didnít say anything about training or give and other excuse such as testing/probing our suitability and reaction to a perceived terrorist attack (if they did I didn't hear it). Either way the White House seems extremely reckless, callous and inept. If this was some sort of training mission test and probe for homeland defense; then the Obama and the White House is not living up to their campaign promises of openness. One of the many campaign promises that Obama already has broken many times.

    Back to the swine flu. It was nice for once to hear Obama commend Bush for having the government stockpiling Tamiflu. While it is good that the government is stockpiling Tamiflu in some ways; in other ways it is bad. From what I understand for the most part the government requires the average Joe have a prescription for Tamiflu. I think that may be good for preventing overuse and resistant strains however I think it would be good if the average Joe could stockpile some of their own drugs in case of emergency. One of the problems with the government being in possession of the stockpile is that it makes the average Joe dependent on the government to run to the rescue and be the hero. It prevents the individual from having the ability to save themselves. So far I donít think this swine flu epidemic looks as extreme as the flu pandemic that occurred in World War I (191; so far it seems mostly hysterical and precautionary/ better safe than sorry . However if there was an extreme flu pandemic as bad or worse than there was in 1918; would it be really smart to be dependent on government stockpiles? Would it be really smart to have to go out into public (possibly use mass transit with sick people and waste fuel) and wait in line with sick people.

    Itís absolutely amazing how shallow, inept, incompetent, hypocritical and sociopath that this presidential administration is (and most of Congress and the media).

    About the only reasonable and intelligent thing Obama said in his speech the other night was that people should wash their hands frequently.

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    Originally posted by ATFS_Crash View Post

    Obamaís administration suggested not making unnecessary air travel; yet hypocritically the Obama administration had Air Force One go on a low-level joyride photo op; without giving the general public notification; thereby inducing panic, wasting tax payer money, fuel/energy, costing businesses and the public a fortune for the collateral damages from the panic that the Obama administration induced.
    Obama has come out and said that he condemns the mission and will ensure something that stupid doesn't happen again.

    The amount of ignorance, ineptness and hypocrisy from the Obama administration is laughable and scary. Itís hard to believe Obamaís claim that he didnít know where ďAir Force OneĒ was.
    It's not his job to track where his plane (or his limo, or helicopter) is at every moment of the day. He has more important things to do such as, I don't know, run the country. There are various military commanders that are charged with managing his plane, not him.

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    • #3
      The White House is apologizing for the remarks made by Biden. Well kind of, he meant to say "if you are experiencing flu like symptoms, limit your travel."

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      • #4
        Biden is a walking gaff machine.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bok269 View Post
          Obama has come out and said that he condemns the mission and will ensure something that stupid doesn't happen again.



          It's not his job to track where his plane (or his limo, or helicopter) is at every moment of the day. He has more important things to do such as, I don't know, run the country. There are various military commanders that are charged with managing his plane, not him.
          Originally posted by Tanner_J View Post
          The White House is apologizing for the remarks made by Biden. Well kind of, he meant to say "if you are experiencing flu like symptoms, limit your travel."

          http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
          Very good points. The Air Force one photo-op was a bad idea, but at least President Obama took responsibility for it even though it wasn't necessarily his fault. So many other world leaders would have blamed someone else, if they faced a similiar situation. As Bok 269 said, the President has to run the country, his jet was being managed (badly) probably by some military commanders.

          Originally posted by B757300 View Post
          Biden is a walking gaff machine.
          He is. The surprising thing is two days ago, there was an article in the Denver Post talking about how passengers arriving from Mexico at DIA weren't being screened nor precautionary measures taken and entered the country just like normal and the passengers felt incredibly safe. Funny thing, one of the first people to get swine flu in Colorado, a Denver International Airport worker. Let's hope that the CDC and other medical agencies will allow us to control the spread of swine flu. Bidden's remarks were just strange and silly. Seems like happens way too much for a man who was portrayed as a wise and mature vice president.

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          • #6
            Politics. A pretty poorly disguised political spray. Shouldn't this be on www.Ihatemygovernment.com/forum

            (don't bother clicking...)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bok269 View Post
              Obama has come out and said that he condemns the mission and will ensure something that stupid doesn't happen again.
              That is the type of bloviated rhetoric that I would expect from him. As far as his reassurance that something stupid like that wonít happen again; is just more bloviated empty rhetoric. He has proven that his reassurance is worthless. His track record already shows he is more incompetent than Bush. For Obamaís administration; ďstupidĒ is the status quo.

              Originally posted by Bok269 View Post
              It's not his job to track where his plane (or his limo, or helicopter) is at every moment of the day. He has more important things to do such as, I don't know, run the country. There are various military commanders that are charged with managing his plane, not him.
              Hypocrisy. Obama and other fascist liberals expected Bush to micromanage and be responsible for everything that went on in his administration; yet Obama, the biased fascist liberal media have a hypocritical double standard for themselves. I think some of the reporters are starting to realize how stupid the Obama administration is. At the press conferences I have notice that some of the reporters are starting to laugh some of the idiotic hypocritical responses from the Obama administration.

              Ever since September 11 the fascist liberals have attacked Bush for not knowing the exact location of every aircraft in the air in the US; yet Obama doesnít even know where his planes are. Obama shouldnít be held accountable for what his own planes are doing under his supervision?

              I really donít expect Obama to micromanage every little detail; Iím just pointing out Obamaís and fascist liberals hypocrisy and that they are even more incompetent than Bush and his administration.

              Remember that during Obamaís campaign they claimed that Obama would be much better at multitasking crisisís; however his track record and his performance since heís been elected proves otherwise. He and his administration is worse. IMAO

              In some cases he is treating terrorists better than our own military personnel. Some of us military pilots have been through survival school that included forms of torture like waterboarding as part of our training to resist the enemy. With Obamaís Fascist Liberal insane morally bankrupt logic; apparently itís okay to waterboard our own people; but itís wrong to waterboard terrorists to try to prevent the murder of millions of innocent people.

              Obamaís administration does ridiculous things like punish our own law abiding citizens and reward terrorists. Obamaís administration has apparently decided to release some of the terrorists in the United States and put them on public welfare at the cost of a taxpayer. Obama (and other fascist liberals) frequently and severely flaunts and violates the Constitution for its own citizens; yet Obama (and other fascist liberals) want to give constitutional rights that were meant for our citizens; to foreign terrorists.

              Originally posted by Tanner_J View Post
              The White House is apologizing for the remarks made by Biden. Well kind of, he meant to say "if you are experiencing flu like symptoms, limit your travel."
              Damage control. If Biden wouldíve said that originally, there would have been no controversy. At least in this case they admitted their mistake and apologized; rather than their status quo to deny and try to put the blame on someone else.

              Originally posted by rohank4284 View Post
              The Air Force one photo-op was a bad idea, but at least President Obama took responsibility for it even though it wasn't necessarily his fault. So many other world leaders would have blamed someone else, if they faced a similar situation. As Bok 269 said, the President has to run the country, his jet was being managed (badly) probably by some military commanders.
              On the contrary. That was just a bunch of bloviated contradictory rhetoric. Obama didnít take responsibility; he admitted it was wrong only after it was obvious that his administration screwed up; just like the scum they are; they tried to place blame on others with a witchhunt for a scapegoat.

              Originally posted by SYDCBRWOD View Post
              Politics. A pretty poorly disguised political spray.
              Yes your post is a hypocritical poorly disguised political spray. Just the type of dishonest trolling personal attacks Iíve come to expect from the hypocritical unfriendly skies of this message board.

              There was nothing disguised about my criticism of liberal fascism in my post.

              Originally posted by SYDCBRWOD View Post
              Shouldn't this be on www.Ihatemygovernment.com/forum

              (don't bother clicking...)
              I both love and hate my government. I love most of our Constitution and most of the intent of our founding fathers. I hate the fascist liberals (that includes Republicans, Democrats and independents) in our government that ignore and are violating the Constitution and the intent of our founding fathers. Liberal fascism is destroying our country financially and morally. I hope Obama fails; because he and his henchmen (fascist liberals) are destroying our country. Saying you canít hope for Obamaís failure; would be like saying that Germans couldnít hope for Hitlerís failure. If more people would have criticized Hitler; the Holocaust and World War II may have been averted. The Germans that wished for Hitlerís success helped destroy Germany.

              Fascist liberals hate our government; thatís why they are ignoring the Constitution and our founding fathers intent and are implementing the destruction of our government by transforming it into a socialist/Marxist/communist/fascist government.

              {Your link is broken. (pretending to be as dumb as a fascist liberal)}

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  As far as Obamaís Air Force One photo op that terrorized New Yorkers.

                  I am suspicious that this mission may have been prompted by Obama himself. The rumor is that the photo op was racist political stunt by the White House. There are rumors that this photo op event was shot with aircraft with the red tail Tuskegee airmen markings. It is rumored that it was a racist political stunt by the White House itself to try to capitalize on the popularity and the heroism of the Tuskegee airmen.

                  Iím also suspicious that another part of this mission was to be a psych op. I think that may be why there was essentially a gag order not to give New Yorkers a warning or timely explanation for the low pass. Iím suspicious that they may have deliberately flown low to simulate a terrorist attack to induce panic amongst New Yorkers to gauge how their reaction would be to another terrorist attack. Iím suspicious that this may have been orchestrated by the Obama administration as part of a Homeland Defense evaluation of the publicís reaction to a perceived possible threat.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ATFS_Crash View Post
                    As far as Obamaís Air Force One photo op that terrorized New Yorkers.

                    I am suspicious that this mission may have been prompted by Obama himself. The rumor is that the photo op was racist political stunt by the White House. There are rumors that this photo op event was shot with aircraft with the red tail Tuskegee airmen markings. It is rumored that it was a racist political stunt by the White House itself to try to capitalize on the popularity and the heroism of the Tuskegee airmen.

                    Iím also suspicious that another part of this mission was to be a psych op. I think that may be why there was essentially a gag order not to give New Yorkers a warning or timely explanation for the low pass. Iím suspicious that they may have deliberately flown low to simulate a terrorist attack to induce panic amongst New Yorkers to gauge how their reaction would be to another terrorist attack. Iím suspicious that this may have been orchestrated by the Obama administration as part of a Homeland Defense evaluation of the publicís reaction to a perceived possible threat.
                    Alex Jones probably has an answer for you.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cam View Post
                      Alex Jones probably has an answer for you.
                      Obama has a lot of answers also. I wouldn’t trust either one of them and think they have about the same standard of credibility. I really don’t know Alex Jones that well; like Obama he has some good ideas, but for the most part seems to be a crackpot. But then most of you would probably say the same about me.

                      Obama like Clinton often gives a lot of answers (That often isn’t worth dirt); but often ignores/evades (or lies in response) the real important questions. Just because someone answers a question doesn’t mean it’s truthful or right. One of Obama’s many campaign promises was to have openness and disclosure in his presidency; one of many broken campaign promises. There is many questions Obama has dodged, and he has been caught in many lies. He’s good about coming up with rambling empty rhetoric as long as there is prepared talking points at hand on his Teleprompter. However without his Teleprompter he often sounds like Bush if he isn’t giving a prepared speech, or answering rehearsed questions.

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                      • #12
                        Simple put Biden is moron..he has habit of opening his mouth and not thinking before he speaks. The difference between him and a real leader like Mike Bloomberg is Bloomberg got on a subway to go to work even with the warnings of this virus.

                        Biden's comments do nothing to help the public's concerns, he only fuels them. I'm really starting to regret who I voted for in Nov.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ATFS_Crash View Post
                          Obama has a lot of answers also. I wouldn’t trust either one of them and think they have about the same standard of credibility. I really don’t know Alex Jones that well; like Obama he has some good ideas, but for the most part seems to be a crackpot. But then most of you would probably say the same about me.

                          Obama like Clinton often gives a lot of answers (That often isn’t worth dirt); but often ignores/evades (or lies in response) the real important questions. Just because someone answers a question doesn’t mean it’s truthful or right. One of Obama’s many campaign promises was to have openness and disclosure in his presidency; one of many broken campaign promises. There is many questions Obama has dodged, and he has been caught in many lies. He’s good about coming up with rambling empty rhetoric as long as there is prepared talking points at hand on his Teleprompter. However without his Teleprompter he often sounds like Bush if he isn’t giving a prepared speech, or answering rehearsed questions.
                          Yep, Obama at times does remind me of Clinton. He does sometimes use a lot of empty rhetoric to weave himself out of bad situations, which is something I really don't like. It's kind of funny how bad politicians sound when they are caught on-camera, without a prepared speech in hand, or have to answer spur of the moment questions.

                          However, don't forget how much evading Bush did of important issues, he practically duped the country into going into Iraq for imaginary "weapons of mass destruction." Iraq is more unstable a dangerous country to the US nearly 6 years after the US invasion. Bush also once stated that he and his party knew about the possibility that sub-prime mortgages might fall through and could potentially cause a major problem, he didn't say anything because he didn't want to be blammed for it. Let's not forget how Bush inherited a budget surplus and when he left office in 8 years, the US was in $3 trillion debt and most of it belongs to China. This is coming from a Republican, by the way.

                          President Obama has done a decent job in his first 100 days, in my opinion. His big spending really worries me, hopefully he will get that back under control. If he doesn't we're in for a big problem. We gave the other guy 8 years, I want to wait at least a year or two before evaluating President Obama. I didn't vote for Obama last November.

                          The Air Force One photo op debacle, I think it was more of a huge mistake than an attack on "racist" America or just to see how people would react. Though conspiracy theories will always exist. As Tom said below I think that Biden is a major idiot. You just can't tell America to shut down, without expecting a reaction. He sure hasn't been the mature and voice of reason that Democrats portrayed him to be.


                          Originally posted by tommyalf View Post
                          Simple put Biden is moron..he has habit of opening his mouth and not thinking before he speaks. The difference between him and a real leader like Mike Bloomberg is Bloomberg got on a subway to go to work even with the warnings of this virus.

                          Biden's comments do nothing to help the public's concerns, he only fuels them. I'm really starting to regret who I voted for in Nov.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ATFS_Crash View Post
                            That is the type of bloviated rhetoric that I would expect from him. As far as his reassurance that something stupid like that wonít happen again; is just more bloviated empty rhetoric. He has proven that his reassurance is worthless. His track record already shows he is more incompetent than Bush. For Obamaís administration; ďstupidĒ is the status quo.


                            Hypocrisy. Obama and other fascist liberals expected Bush to micromanage and be responsible for everything that went on in his administration; yet Obama, the biased fascist liberal media have a hypocritical double standard for themselves. I think some of the reporters are starting to realize how stupid the Obama administration is. At the press conferences I have notice that some of the reporters are starting to laugh some of the idiotic hypocritical responses from the Obama administration.

                            Ever since September 11 the fascist liberals have attacked Bush for not knowing the exact location of every aircraft in the air in the US; yet Obama doesnít even know where his planes are. Obama shouldnít be held accountable for what his own planes are doing under his supervision?

                            I really donít expect Obama to micromanage every little detail; Iím just pointing out Obamaís and fascist liberals hypocrisy and that they are even more incompetent than Bush and his administration.

                            Remember that during Obamaís campaign they claimed that Obama would be much better at multitasking crisisís; however his track record and his performance since heís been elected proves otherwise. He and his administration is worse. IMAO

                            In some cases he is treating terrorists better than our own military personnel. Some of us military pilots have been through survival school that included forms of torture like waterboarding as part of our training to resist the enemy. With Obamaís Fascist Liberal insane morally bankrupt logic; apparently itís okay to waterboard our own people; but itís wrong to waterboard terrorists to try to prevent the murder of millions of innocent people.

                            Obamaís administration does ridiculous things like punish our own law abiding citizens and reward terrorists. Obamaís administration has apparently decided to release some of the terrorists in the United States and put them on public welfare at the cost of a taxpayer. Obama (and other fascist liberals) frequently and severely flaunts and violates the Constitution for its own citizens; yet Obama (and other fascist liberals) want to give constitutional rights that were meant for our citizens; to foreign terrorists.


                            Damage control. If Biden wouldíve said that originally, there would have been no controversy. At least in this case they admitted their mistake and apologized; rather than their status quo to deny and try to put the blame on someone else.



                            On the contrary. That was just a bunch of bloviated contradictory rhetoric. Obama didnít take responsibility; he admitted it was wrong only after it was obvious that his administration screwed up; just like the scum they are; they tried to place blame on others with a witchhunt for a scapegoat.


                            Yes your post is a hypocritical poorly disguised political spray. Just the type of dishonest trolling personal attacks Iíve come to expect from the hypocritical unfriendly skies of this message board.

                            There was nothing disguised about my criticism of liberal fascism in my post.



                            I both love and hate my government. I love most of our Constitution and most of the intent of our founding fathers. I hate the fascist liberals (that includes Republicans, Democrats and independents) in our government that ignore and are violating the Constitution and the intent of our founding fathers. Liberal fascism is destroying our country financially and morally. I hope Obama fails; because he and his henchmen (fascist liberals) are destroying our country. Saying you canít hope for Obamaís failure; would be like saying that Germans couldnít hope for Hitlerís failure. If more people would have criticized Hitler; the Holocaust and World War II may have been averted. The Germans that wished for Hitlerís success helped destroy Germany.

                            Fascist liberals hate our government; thatís why they are ignoring the Constitution and our founding fathers intent and are implementing the destruction of our government by transforming it into a socialist/Marxist/communist/fascist government.

                            {Your link is broken. (pretending to be as dumb as a fascist liberal)}
                            As soon as you said "fascist liberals" your opinion ceased to be relevant.

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                            • #15
                              ...and not that long ago people were saying that pigs would fly before America had a black president.

                              100 days later and ..... wham ! ..... swine flu !!

                              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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