Osama bin Laden Killed

[Gabriel]

I'm Ok with having OBL killed. I'd have done the same if I were Obama.

I'm NOT ok with those who say that killing him is Ok because he killed thousands, that those thousands were innocent, or that he did so with no prior trial and in the name of a religion.

OBL was a criminal, a terrorist. That's what terrorist do. They are not supposed to respect the law. States are.

You don't kill a killer without trial just because he killed. If you can capture him and take him to trial, then you do. That's what a Country does. I simply don't accept that a Government can just kill criminals without due process. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I live in Argentina where a Government did just that. Dozens of thousands of times.

The problem with OBL, why it's Ok to have killed him, is that this is not a matter of a simple crime.

If OBL have been hiding and found in the USA, he could have been properly arrested and taken to trial according to the US law. In fact, if say some policeman investigating where he was hiding killed him unarmed and in a situation where the life of the policeman or other third parties was not in immediate danger, in the US that person would have likely been charged with homicide.

But how are you supposed to arrest him in Pakistan? By a military force? You take him to a US court and most likely the judge will HAVE to free him because his arrest was illegal. And even if not, what evidence will you use against him? A good bunch of the evidence was NOT obtained following the rules of the due process.

If we accept that this is a WAR against terrorism, and I do, then having OBL dead was a legit military target. That simple.

[guamainiac]

My God Juan, look at the size of the army around him. There are like about 100,000 troops within a few miles and that town is essentially an army compound.

The rules of war and Geneva convention apply. He was not in a recognizable uniform was he? Not in uniform I believe you are an automatic target as a combatant trying to evade.

[BoeingKing77]

The killing of Osama was carried out by a GOVERMENT, the murders committed by Al Quida were carried out by a group of deragend lunatics.
There is a big difference. Governments and the so called "civilized" west should practice what they preach.... the rule of law, and the stability that comes with it. Otherwise we are no better than the lunatic fringes

Do any of you remember Nuremberg??? the crimes committed by those defendants were a thousand fold that Osama did, yet the rule of law prevailed!

So you are saying that an assassination is a bad thing?? What about when the British government (Im not too sure it was them) sent a team to assassinate Hitler?

[BoeingKing77]

I wonder if Dick Cheney gave consultation, and suggested shooting for the head?

Foreign terrorists are not entitled to US constitutional rights. You sound like a fascist liberal; that want to deny US citizens their constitutional rights, yet want to give illegal aliens and foreign terrorists on foreign soil US constitutional rights.

You lie. We did not sink as low as Al Qaeda and other so-called “Islamic” terrorists.

Did we behead him? Did we burn his genitals off? Did we drag his dead body through the streets on parade? Did we put his corpse on display by hanging his corpse high so the public could abuse the corpse?

As far as treating the dead (and prisoners) in accordance with Islamic law: hasn’t there been many cases that people have been beheaded, had their genitals burned off, had their bodies dragged through the street, then to be hung high and displayed publicly by “Muslims” claiming that they were acting in accordance to “Islamic law”?

How come we didn’t offer the same respect to Osama bin Laden and his supporters; that he and his supporters have given our soldiers, our missionaries, our contractors, our civilians, our humanity effort workers?

Do you think if we treated “Muslims” with the same respect that they treat others; that the “Islamic” response would be peaceful?

I think we could run him through a wood chipper and feed him to the hogs; and it would be more civilized than how the Al Qaeda and other “Islamic” terrorists have treated prisoners and corpses.

For once I have to agree with ATFS. We treated him far to kindly, two bullets through the head are not enough for the innocent blood of 3000+ civilians.

[juan23]

No I wouldn't, nor would I defend Osama, but I think everyone should defend the rule of law.
I would have shot the wanker too, even if he was unarmed in his slippers hobbling around his bedroom in his mid sixties fuck him.

But you haven't realized how insignificant he had become thats why there wasn't a small army in that compound to defend the great leader, he was no longer a leader of any significance just an old sick man in his slippers whose time had passed, and it is no great victory 10 years and thousands of lives later to kill him.
But it is fun to get ya all wound up!!!!!!!!

[B757300]

To take him alive would never have been in the plan. A live prisoner would create a figurehead, a living martyr. Imagine the threats, kidnappings etc. that would ensue in a vain attempt to secure his release. OK, the world at large is still in danger of reprisals but there is no body, living or dead that can be used in exchange threats. The burial at sea was entirely appropriate in that it gave no opportunity for a body or parts of it to he held up in Islamic martyrdom.

Exactly. Taking him alive would have been the worst thing possible. I don't care if he had a weapon or not. Some people just deserve to be killed.

Juan, would you defend Adolf Hitler the same way?

[guamainiac]

Hey Juan do you have a copy of the surrender document for Al Queda?

I mean I lost mine or something? Perhaps a link.

Now, that said, I found the terms and conditions of the Axis surrender but dang, what's with me?

Oh, they did not surrender yet

Glad we had this chat. So what's the old FALN been up to?

[DAIRD]

So, lets say OBL was captured alive, would you be ok he was tortured for information?

No, not that word. Torture, no not that rubbish again. But I think it would be okay pulling out each single hair he got.... starting with the hair in his nose...

[PMN]

There has to be one I suppose. One kissy-kissy, huggy-huggy, tree loving dickhead spouting bullshit.

Absolute class!

[turbotraker]

The killing of Osama was carried out by a GOVERMENT, the murders committed by Al Quida were carried out by a group of deragend lunatics.
There is a big difference. Governments and the so called "civilized" west should practice what they preach.... the rule of law, and the stability that comes with it. Otherwise we are no better than the lunatic fringes

Do any of you remember Nuremberg??? the crimes committed by those defendants were a thousand fold that Osama did, yet the rule of law prevailed!

So, lets say OBL was captured alive, would you be ok he was tortured for information?

[guamainiac]

Brian is not funny.

OK it was pretty funny.

Why 2 times? That is all it takes with a 5.56 with a 77 grain bullet.

It's part of an austerity program. Standard issue is a 62 grain slug.

[brianw999]

BREAKING NEWS.....

The Irish SAS joined in with the US mission early today when they stormed Debenhams after gaining intelligence that Summer Bed Linen was on the third floor.

[juan23]

The killing of Osama was carried out by a GOVERMENT, the murders committed by Al Quida were carried out by a group of deragend lunatics.
There is a big difference. Governments and the so called "civilized" west should practice what they preach.... the rule of law, and the stability that comes with it. Otherwise we are no better than the lunatic fringes

Do any of you remember Nuremberg??? the crimes committed by those defendants were a thousand fold that Osama did, yet the rule of law prevailed!

[seahawk]

I do not say it was wrong or right, but if we are serious about defending western values in the war on terror, than we must accept people questioning what happened.

[DAIRD]

Well, now that it is clear the Osama was even unarmed, one can really question why he was shot in the head 2 times.

Bin Laden and his gang killed a lot of unarmed and innocent humans.