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  • Eastern Airlines 737-700 (Mike Pence Campaign Aircraft) Off the Runway at LGA

    JAMAICA, Queens (WABC) --

    Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Mike Pence's plane skidded off the runway at LaGuardia Airport on Thursday night.

    It happened just before 8 p.m. at runway 22L.

    The plane came to a stop at the perimeter fence.

    None of the 37 passengers on board were injured.

    ABC News Producer Ines de LaCuetara was on board the plane at the time of the hard landing. She said in a phone interview with Eyewitness News that there are two cracks now on the runway from the hard landing and subsequent skid.

    http://abc7ny.com/politics/vp-candid...rport/1576417/

    Aircraft is N278EA.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/8347908

  • #2
    Getthereitis. And a fine metaphor for the 2016 election. It's unstable, but there will be no go-around.

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    • #3
      An unstable approach to politics.

      Perhaps this is off topic, but say anything, live fast and do anything with no concern for whether it makes fundamental nor procedural sense, and nothing but mud slinging...the state of USA politics and a particular 737 today.
      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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      • #4
        i'm betting brian comes along and moves this thread...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
          i'm betting brian comes along and moves this thread...
          Merge maybe...move, hopefully not- original post edited for those with marginal sarcasm processors...unfortunately those are often MEL'd.
          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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          • #6
            How do you know it was an unstable approach?

            And why on Earth did they steer away from the EMAS??????

            http://avherald.com/h?article=49ff6bcc&opt=0

            --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
            --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
              How do you know it was an unstable approach?

              And why on Earth did they steer away from the EMAS??????

              http://avherald.com/h?article=49ff6bcc&opt=0

              Preliminary radar data suggest the aircraft was on a normal approach profile descending through 250 feet AGL at 135 knots over ground, after touch down was still doing 132 knots over ground about 1400 meters/4600 feet past the runway threshold with about 700 meters/2300 feet of runway remaining.

              Hello!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                How do you know it was an unstable approach
                The media said that someone with ATC told them to slow down- AND they ran off the end.

                While that's heavy duty ass-hat parlour speculation, partly based on a questionable source...

                ...it is ever so slightly possibly substantiated and consistent that perhaps they were high and fast at some point on the approach, and that it could have carried over to the final outcome.

                Yes, we should wait for more confirmation, and ideally the final report...but that's no fun.

                Conversely: Bobby's snip from Av Herald suggests that things were OK on short final. Knowing the media, the ATC 'order' to slow down may have been an every day traffic flow 'order' as opposed to the much more dramatic suggestion that ATC was warning them of danger in classic Zero Hour! fashion.

                Late Edit: At this point, we cannot rule out an unstabilized approach- but- unless unstabilized = weather-related winds, it's something of a stretch to think that in NY airspace you could wind up high and/or hot but still able to be in good shape with airspeed at 250 ft AGL but your descent rate is FUBAR'd (because you were unstabilized) so you land long...
                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                  The media said that someone with ATC told them to slow down

                  LGA tower tells almost every plane on final to slow down. Not because they are going at some sort of unsafe speed, but because the Tower folks are worried about perfect intervals between arriving aircraft because they need to get a departure off the crossing runway after each landing aircraft. No doubt they were landing 22 and departing 13 last night. As soon as the arrival plane touches down on 22, they launch the plane on 13. If the spacing bunches up for 22 and they don't get to launch a plane from 13, the place grinds to a halt. When it all works like clockwork, its an amazing ballet to behold. The LGA controllers may be caustic and snippy, but they do more with less than anyone in the world and because of that they guard their 'intervals' like no one else
                  Parlour Talker Extraordinaire

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                    How do you know it was an unstable approach?
                    Continued to float at 4,000' past the threshold. Landed anyway. Getthereitis.
                    Even with a VIP onboard, that absolutely should have been a go-around.
                    This isn't Poland.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vnav View Post
                      LGA tower tells almost every plane on final to slow down. Not because they are going at some sort of unsafe speed, but because the Tower folks are worried about perfect intervals between arriving aircraft because they need to get a departure off the crossing runway after each landing aircraft.
                      In the glory days at Flyover when there were 3X the planes and 66% of the runways, I remember lots of speed 'discussion' on the frequency, along with assignments (and even request from planes no less) to do s-turns on final (in good weather, of course).

                      Also, in the olden days, there were a lot of offers and requests (or even 'orders') for Left-Right runway changes...I think the stabilized approach 'mentality'
                      may have killed a lot of that.
                      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                      • #12
                        It was a great landing. The best landing. Everybody loved it.

                        Be alert! America needs more lerts.

                        Eric Law

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by elaw View Post

                          1. It was a great landing.
                          2. The best landing.
                          3. Everybody loved it.

                          1. Indeed.
                          2. Technically, no, but then again, we're talking politics.
                          3. See no. 2 (and on-board video would seem to confirm your comment)
                          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                          • #14
                            How do you know that the approach was not stabilized?

                            Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                            Preliminary radar data suggest the aircraft was on a normal approach profile descending through 250 feet AGL at 135 knots over ground, after touch down was still doing 132 knots over ground about 1400 meters/4600 feet past the runway threshold with about 700 meters/2300 feet of runway remaining.

                            Hello!

                            How do you know that the approach was not stabilized?

                            Originally posted by Evan
                            Continued to float at 4,000' past the threshold. Landed anyway. Getthereitis.
                            Even with a VIP onboard, that absolutely should have been a go-around.
                            This isn't Poland.
                            How do you know that the approach was not stabilized? (or that it floated?)

                            We know that it was still very fast very far down the runway (the very fact that it was at more than zero knots by the end of the runway is both a definition of an overrun and a good indication that it was very fast very far down the runway). We DON'T know where it touched down. Alternative explanations to unstabilized approach: Problems retarding thrust? Aquaplaning and the spoilers, antiskid and autobrakes did not kick in, and the reverse was not available?

                            --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                            --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                              How do you know that...it floated?)

                              ...Alternative explanations to unstabilized approach: Problems retarding thrust? Aquaplaning and the spoilers, antiskid and autobrakes did not kick in, and the reverse was not available?
                              The report that it was still at "full speed" 4000 ft down the runway is suggestive of an extended float/power up...try to make a gentle landing, etc etc etc.

                              Indeed, Mr. Evan states his case in overly strong, black and white language; however, until better data and final reports are available, one might speculate that floating was involved.
                              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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