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  • #46
    Should face his long suffering fellow countrymen trial court house.
    The latter should be assisted by experimented and acknowledged outside lawyers.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by A340_flyer
      GrantT, facts are facts, the US supplied Saddam with Chemical and Biological weapons secrets as he was very close with the US in the 80's.
      Indeed facts are facts. But facts can also be proven, so prove it.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by A340_flyer
        ADG, I also find it funny how nothing was said when Saddam gassed Kurds and Iranians in the 80's yet now it's being raved about.
        I sure the Iranians and Kurds are laughing like hell in their graves....

        Brilliant a340, simply brilliant.

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        • #49
          I sure the Iranians and Kurds are laughing like hell in their graves....
          Hypocrisy .... they name is .....






          Last year, Senator Robert Byrd discussed the Reagan Administration's transfer to Iraq of biological agents including anthrax, bubonic plague and many others, and placed supporting documentation in the Congressional Record. He recalled an exchange he had at a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on September 19, 2002:

          I asked Secretary Rumsfeld:

          Mr. Secretary, to your knowledge, did the United States help Iraq to acquire the building blocks of biological weapons during the Iran-Iraq war? Are we in fact now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sewn?

          The Secretary quickly and flatly denied any knowledge but said he would review Pentagon records. I suggest that the administration speed up that review. My concerns and the concerns of others have grown. A letter from the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention, which I shall submit for the Record, shows very clearly that the United States is, in fact, preparing to reap what it has sewn. A letter written in 1995 by former CDC Director David Satcher to former Senator Donald W. Riegle, Jr., points out that the U.S. Government provided nearly two dozen viral and bacterial samples to Iraqi scientists in 1985--samples that included the plague, botulism, and anthrax, among other deadly diseases. According to the letter from Dr. Satcher to former Senator Donald Riegle, many of the materials were hand carried by an Iraqi scientist to Iraq after he had spent 3 months training in the CDC laboratory. The Armed Services Committee is requesting information from the Departments of Commerce, State, and Defense on the history of the United States, providing the building blocks for weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. I recommend that the Department of Health and Human Services also be included in that request. The American people do not need obfuscation and denial. The American people need the truth. The American people need to know whether the United States is in large part responsible for the very Iraqi weapons of mass destruction which the administration now seeks to destroy. We may very well have created the monster that we seek to eliminate. The Senate deserves to know the whole story. The American people deserve answers to the whole story.
          ADG
          No makeovers please .....

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          • #50
            deleted...
            You only have one life...

            Make wise decisions and live freely.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ADG
              Hypocrisy .... they name is .....
              So ...... If I build a rifle and sell it to you....and then you go on a rampage and kill 100 people...... I am the Bad Guy?

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              • #52
                Well if you're not supposed to be selling these rifles and you know that it'll be used to carry out a rampage on your enemy, then the anwer is Yes.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by A340_flyer
                  Well if you're not supposed to be selling these rifles and you know that it'll be used to carry out a rampage on your enemy, then the anwer is Yes.
                  Bullshit. Plain and simple. Then Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Honda, Toyota, etc. etc., etc., should be shut down for selling deadly weapons as well.

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                  • #54
                    So ...... If I build a rifle and sell it to you....and then you go on a rampage and kill 100 people...... I am the Bad Guy?
                    Maybe you ought to try to pick a statement that has a little relevance to the conversation?

                    If you sell me a rifle and then go around bleating about me having a rifle would you be a bad guy or a complete idiot? I choose the latter.



                    So who actually did "get 'im"? The Americans or the Kurds?






                    ADG
                    ADG
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ADG
                      If you sell me a rifle and then go around bleating about me having a rifle would you be a bad guy or a complete idiot? I choose the latter.
                      The latter would be the complete idiot....

                      I guess bleating (what ever that means)on my part would be appropriate if you killed thousands of your citizens....
                      Might as well let everyone know what they are up against.

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                      • #56
                        Personally, I find that not only should we be looking at those who kill thousands of their own but also those who supplied them with the ability to do so for they are almost as guilty.

                        Additionally, it really is the height of hypocrisy to then have that same group of people bleating (that's the sound sheep make) about the killing as they share responsibility. Not only that, to complain about others profiteering in exactly the same way they did when it suits them is laughable. Surely if one country has no problems with selling weaponry for profit, why shouldn't other countries share the wealth? It reminds me of that saying about people in glass houses not throwing stones.






                        ADG
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                        • #57
                          Look where ever you want. Means nothing really. Especially if you use the term "we". That is too vague. "I" am part of "we" and don't feel that way. So from my point of view, it does not apply.

                          So using your logic, would mothers and fathers of killers would be just as guilty as their murderous son or daughter?

                          You can sell me a gun or a knife, but that does not mean you want me to kill one of your neighbors with it does it?

                          I can give you a car, but not condone you running someone over with it..

                          ...any of this sinking in? If not...I can go on. The parallel is obvious.

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                          • #58
                            Look where ever you want. Means nothing really. Especially if you use the term "we". That is too vague. "I" am part of "we" and don't feel that way.
                            Actually, in the big scheme of "us" v "them" .. I am us and you are them (or vice versa).

                            So from my point of view, it does not apply.
                            i've noticed that about you

                            So using your logic, would mothers and fathers of killers would be just as guilty as their murderous son or daughter?
                            Well according to some "democracies" in this world that's exactly right. However, I would think that they certainly are if they send their children out into the world armed with the necessary resources and attitude to kill. Imagine arming your kids with weapons and teaching them that the enemy is "bad" to further your little cold war. Why wouldn't you consider that parent guilty?

                            Or do you subscribe to the "no responsibility" mentality?

                            You can sell me a gun or a knife, but that does not mean you want me to kill one of your neighbors with it does it?
                            and what exactly do you think i'd be doing with the knife or the gun? These are weapons designed to kill, and that's what they're used for.

                            I can give you a car, but not condone you running someone over with it..
                            Once again you've drifted off the mark ... Whilst a car can be used as a weapon it's not designed as one, not quite the same thing as selling Iraq chemical and biological weaponry.

                            ...any of this sinking in? If not...I can go on. The parallel is obvious.
                            Rubbish.. you're drifting with the wind here, grasping at the strawman argument to attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

                            But what the heck, it's the season to be merry ... and it is worth a chuckle reading some of this




                            ADG
                            ADG
                            No makeovers please .....

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                            • #59
                              Someone already said this, but to execute him only makes him a martyr for all of those who are so deluded as to follow him. He should be totally disgraced and exiled to a pig farm.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by ADG
                                Actually, in the big scheme of "us" v "them" .. I am us and you are them (or vice versa).
                                Then say it that way.

                                Originally posted by ADG
                                However, I would think that they certainly are if they send their children out into the world armed with the necessary resources and attitude to kill. Imagine arming your kids with weapons and teaching them that the enemy is "bad" to further your little cold war.
                                Imagine...Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya......


                                Originally posted by ADG
                                Or do you subscribe to the "no responsibility" mentality?
                                please... Go find Osama's Mamma...and kick her ass for not raising a good little boy...

                                Originally posted by ADG
                                ...and what exactly do you think i'd be doing with the knife or the gun? These are weapons designed to kill, and that's what they're used for.
                                True! But does the gun or knife kill by itself? Does every hunter with a gun, shoot his neighbor? If I am cutting up lettuce in the kitchen, do I have to go next door and hack them up?

                                Originally posted by ADG
                                Whilst a car can be used as a weapon it's not designed as one, not quite the same thing as selling Iraq chemical and biological weaponry.
                                Either is fertilizer, but it blew up a big building in Oklahoma...

                                Originally posted by ADG
                                Rubbish.. you're drifting with the wind here, grasping at the strawman argument to attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
                                Just because I don't agree with you, does not make my points wrong, or yours right. Justifiable? Wouldn't that be a rather subjective thing? Think about that....


                                ....laughing too hard over your attitude.... give me a few minutes before I have to type again...


                                Jeff

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