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  • uy707
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    Just self limitation choice of mine in order to avoid spending a whole night by charting everything
    Alain

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  • GrantT
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    Originally posted by uy707
    Just two
    But I thought the French had always been at the forefront of aviation, surely there are more than two.

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  • uy707
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    Just two
    -First flown in 1951, the Breguet Deux Pont was the first real hight capacity airliner to enter service in 1953. The double decker quad could fly either
    - 107 passengers, in full passenger configation with 59 on upper deck and 48 on low one or as a COMBI with 59 passenger atop and freight below
    The Caravelle introduced the rear engine mounted design allow a clean wing surface. Everybody around made duplicates of their own and subsequently paid royalty fees to Sud Aviation. She was also the first successful european built jetliner selling 280. a list of some aircrafts which "importated" the design
    -Douglas DC.9
    -British Aircraft Corporation Bac 1.11
    -Vickers VC.10
    -Boeing 727 Yes the original design of the Caravelle dating back to 1951 called for a TRI-HOLER, she became a Twinjet when more powerful engines became avialable.
    -HS.121 Trident
    -Tupolev TU.134 etc ....
    I remember an ad in magazines in 1963 title of which
    "OH ILS ONT COPIES CARAVELLE" (Oh my god they imitated Caravelle)
    Cheers
    Alain

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  • GrantT
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    Thanks for the list of French aircraft Alain maybe you could explain in your next post why the French have been at the forefront of aviation all these years.

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  • uy707
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    By diplomacy, I don't include joint european programs & developpment
    -1950s ; the Mystère IV and SMB2 fighters, the SNCASE Vautour tactical bomber, the Caravelle, the Alouette 2 light helo, the Nord 2501 Noratlas.
    -1960s ; the Mystère/Falcon 20, the Nord 262, the MS880 Rallye, the Mirage III and IV, the Bréguet Alizée, the Fouga Magister, the Etandard IV, the Alouette III and Super Frelon helos...
    -1970s ; the Mirage F1, the Falcon 10 and 50,
    -1980s ; the Dauphin and Squirel helos, the Mirage 2000, the Super Etandard
    -1990s ; the Rafale, the Falcon 200, 2000 and 9000
    For a country which is not at the forefront, this is a rather profilic and in most of those successful line of products !!!! In term of success on real export markets, please fill the space with a British competitor
    Falcon 20 :
    Falcon 50
    Falcon 2000 :
    Falcon 9000
    MS880 Rallye
    Socata Trinitad
    Socata Tobago
    Nord 2501 Noratlas
    Mirage III
    Helos
    Exocet Missiles :...........................(even in use in the RN)
    Caravelle
    etc
    the list goes on
    Alain

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  • GrantT
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    Originally posted by uy707
    the French Aerospace Industries has also been on the forefront.
    Not really Alain.

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  • uy707
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    Originally posted by GrantT
    Most major UK companies got kicked in the balls long before Blair's government, just look at Thatcher in the 80's with the coal and steel industry.

    I have to agree though, we were once at the forefront in industries such as aviation and now look at us, we're being run by the Frenchies in Toulouse.
    If we Frenchies are running you, its partly because, the involved industries have been under better management, overwise these would have gone bust sooner or later. On the otherhand for a couple of market failures such as the Breguet Deux-Ponts and the Dassault Mercure, the French Aerospace Industries has also been on the forefront. Although very smart, the VC.10 could not be french.
    Alain

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  • GrantT
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    Most major UK companies got kicked in the balls long before Blair's government, just look at Thatcher in the 80's with the coal and steel industry.

    I have to agree though, we were once at the forefront in industries such as aviation and now look at us, we're being run by the Frenchies in Toulouse.

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  • Katamarino
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    Lets not forget how Tony's tax increases are biting into manufacturing companies all through the UK (Bombardier, Hunter Group, etc)... You used to be a world class location for the making of things, now - bugger all. It's all parasitic tertiary and quaternary services.

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  • GrantT
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    Originally posted by G-MIDY
    Ol' Tony isn't any good he goofs up everything and so far the country in a way is failing eg look at the state of our rail system the N.H.S and well theres to many to mention.
    Hardly Our economy is stronger than ever, unemployment is at an all time low, education and health services are getting better and public services are gradually being improved. Don't forget we are mostly cleaning up the crap from what the tories left after botched privatisations and reforms.

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  • Cubana
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    Santijet and Iceman, what does Chirac have to do with the Euro?

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  • G-MIDY
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    To many politicans these days are forgetting the people are in charge they musn't forget who put them in their seats. Ol' Tony isn't any good he goofs up everything and so far the country in a way is failing eg look at the state of our rail system the N.H.S and well theres to many to mention.

    When we went to war the impact on the people was never considered we never voted whether we should go-to war or not you could argue no-one could facilitate that kind of vote but should two powerful men be able to ?

    My answer is no...but we are no longer in control no wonder when elections come around no-one votes why bother.

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  • iceman
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    Actually, hombre, Chirac did not go to war (or at least opposed it) because he was scared of TFE losing billions of dollars in Iraqi oil contracts. I wouldn’t call it “listening to the people's will”. He merely used that to his advantage. Pretty slimy, if you ask me.

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  • Da-BoB
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    Uk use euro's

    I think all of europe would loose out if the UK used euro's insted because of the markups can make for good trading profits........ take canada and the usa for example..... some companies in the USA buy resources from Canada at a cheeper price because of conversions and make bigger profit.... they also would have bigger profit when selling in canada because of the extra markups they add on........

    Da BoB

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  • Santijet
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    Originally posted by iceman
    Originally posted by Santijet
    Originally posted by Katamarino
    Originally posted by BA93
    I want an elected and accountable British government to determine my countries future not have all the powers transferred to corrupt politicians in Brussels and Strasbourg.
    What makes European politicians automatically corrupt, as opposed to Tony 'Fake as my smile' Blair and his cronies...?
    LOL, that's so funny, Id rather have a supposedly corrupt politician, than an ass kisser, that forgets his own beliefs and the willing of his people...oh yeah now that's your motivation....
    OK, name one politician who fits that description? Which politician does not forget his own beliefs and does not screw his people? Can't think of too many, kid. Otherwise they wouldn't be in politics.
    I know wat u mean and I know that youre right... but I was referring to Tony Blair, some politicians like Shiraq or watever u spell it like, did the willing of their people and did not go to war...

    But I know what you mean seriously PAPS lol .

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