Aussie Kazaa Offices Raided by Recording Industry

[Ansett]

I have not bearing of Arresting him (Fenderal Security) There were some claims of fruad etc cant say anymore

[ADG]

so technically saving an aircraft picture, is illegal without the photographers permission? If so that is really lame and cheezy... only in america ay!

It is neither lame or cheesy, and makes perfect sense if you think about it.

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[LX-A343]

so technically saving an aircraft picture, is illegal without the photographers permission? If so that is really lame and cheezy... only in america ay!

It is neither lame or cheesy, and makes perfect sense if you think about it.

So, everbody here is a thief. Open the "Internet temporary files" folder and you'll see why....

Gerardo

[ADG]

and then check out your "clear cache" button

[LX-A343]

and then check out your "clear cache" button

Why should I clear the cache? A part of the WWW technique is to save files on every user's hard disk to speed up page load times. I wasn't asked, if I want those files. Add to that, that nowhere in the entire process of buying a PC, installing the complete internet software and connecting to a site, have I been asked to clear the cache, nor did I agree to clear the cache after I visitied a site. Do you clear the cache after evey session?

To make it short: saving a file from the internet on my PC is nowhere illegal. Illegal would be to distribute it to make some profit, without letting know the copyright holder.

Cheers
Gerardo

[Cam]

I want to put my $.02 in!

It all started with Napster and a 33K modem, oh the good old days. Back then I didn't listen to music at all. I didn't know what I liked. I then upgraded to cable modem and the whole world came to me. Napster was my savior! I could download anything that I wanted, from Beatles tunes to Cotton Eye Joe! At that point in life I started to gravitate to certain genre, I fell in love with Def Leppard and wanted all their music. I did download a lot, but I also bought some their albums (Pyromania, Hysteria, Adrenaline, The Vault and X. With Euphoria on the way).

What I'm getting at is that I know I have to buy music to keep the artists going, but I don't want to buy a A Flock of Seagulls so I can listen to I RAN. Over all I must say that having the option to download music has made me buy more music as well (recent purchases of 2 Jack Johnson for example). I would be interested in services like ITUNES, but I like to be able to listen to music and decide if I want to keep listening to it.

That's it!

Q for tommyalf: Do you have the freedome with ITUNES as you do with MP3's? I was reading on their site and it says you have only use them on 3 computers??? So, they are not just straight MP3s?

[ADG]

Gerardo,

Your argument is pretty lame. However, ponder this.

If you cruise kiddie porn sites and the pictures store in your cache, you will be prosecuted if you are found to have kiddie porn in your cache even though you didn't put it there.

Also, the attitude "why should I clear my cache" is pretty lame, why should you check the oil in your car, why should you brush your teeth, why should you be nice to others ..

In reality, I would suggest that having images stored in your cache would generally not result in any breach of copyright because you did not make a decision to download and it's how the application works. However, having said that, the discussion really is about people who make a conscious decision to download images KNOWING that they have a copyright attached to them.

But then, someone who couldn't be bothered clearing their cache probably couldn't be bothered reading copyright notices and as I already know from experience, doesn't excuse the action. It's the first excuse copyright infringers use 90% of the time when you track them down. Doesn't excuse what they've done, simply shows how stupid they are.






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[LX-A343]

Your argument is pretty lame. However, ponder this.

Absolutely not. Read my post again and think about it: what exactly have I done against the law, if I open up a large picture at JP.net (for example) and move on to the next site? Nothing. Have I asked the website to save this file on my cache folder? No.

If you cruise kiddie porn sites and the pictures store in your cache, you will be prosecuted if you are found to have kiddie porn in your cache even though you didn't put it there.

It's not that easy, ADG, but I won't go into details now, as it doesn't have anything to do with the original question.

Also, the attitude "why should I clear my cache" is pretty lame, why should you check the oil in your car, why should you brush your teeth, why should you be nice to others ..

I check the oil, because the engine could go busted, if it hasn't enough oil. If the engine cracks down and I ask the manufacturer (or whoever else) for recompensation, they will tell me with a smile on their face: it's your fault, if it broke down. Same with the teeth and so on...

In contrary to the cache file problem: I HAVE an obligation to check the car. It's even written down in the warranty. But I don't have ANY OBLIGATION AT ALL to delete all files in the cache folder. If this would be the case, Microsoft would be cram-full of charges, because they actually would help every internet user to act illegelaly

In reality, I would suggest that having images stored in your cache would generally not result in any breach of copyright because you did not make a decision to download and it's how the application works.

Ahaaaa!

However, having said that, the discussion really is about people who make a conscious decision to download images KNOWING that they have a copyright attached to them.

Again: show me a law which says, that donwloading a large picture is illegal. So far, I thought the USE of the downloaded picture - for example for personal profit - would be illegal. But perhaps an expert (a lawyer, not a so called expert) can prove me wrong.

But then, someone who couldn't be bothered clearing their cache probably couldn't be bothered reading copyright notices and as I already know from experience, doesn't excuse the action. It's the first excuse copyright infringers use 90% of the time when you track them down. Doesn't excuse what they've done, simply shows how stupid they are.

Which copyright notices exactly? And: what are my legal duties, while surfint thru the net? Please give either exact copies of the regarding laws or a link showing the expert opinion on this.

To make an end to this topic (at least for me), let's make it easy: you adjust your internet settings to NOT ALLOW TO SAVE CACHE FILES ON YOUR HARD DISK. I, on the other hand, let my settings as they are: cache files are deleted after a certain amount of days (don't even know how much, because it's not of interest.

One last thing though: I don't call anybody stupid, and hope you don't as well. Let's stick to facts.

Gerardo






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[JeffinDEN]

ADG,
Clearing your cache does not remove the files. they must be overwritten to be considered "removed". There are programs that will right 1's and 0's over all the "deleted" data, so that it cannot be recovered.

Deleting your files, or your cache is like ripping the table of contents out of a book. The pages are still there, only no quick reference to them.

[SWA733Captain]

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Where do you go in XP to delete the cached internet files? I've been looking for a while now because i'm having a problem with the upload page and think clearing them might do the trick.

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[Airbus_A320]

ADG,
Clearing your cache does not remove the files. they must be overwritten to be considered "removed". There are programs that will right 1's and 0's over all the "deleted" data, so that it cannot be recovered.

Deleting your files, or your cache is like ripping the table of contents out of a book. The pages are still there, only no quick reference to them.

What the names of some of these programs.

Where do you go in XP to delete the cached internet files? I've been looking for a while now because i'm having a problem with the upload page and think clearing them might do the trick.

Internet explorer properties. Right click on the icon on the desktop.