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  • Richard
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    I say when he is caught, turn him loose in the streets and let the people deal with him accordingly. He can die in the same indignant way as Mussolini.

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  • raldrich
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    Amen

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  • indian airlines
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    Saddam's still alive, but i'd love it if that man was ousted out of power (not by war though). I'd love it even more if he dies a torturous death, for the horrid things he has done.

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  • aerpix
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    Suppose he's still alive, but no new pictures are shown on TV to be sure that only a limited number of people know where he is. Also from TV shots intelligence may find clues where Saddam hides. Also he is know to employ a number of doubles, and it is well possible that all of the late TV photos were of his doubles, and he has hidden away even before the war started.

    Same for Osama, there was quite some time after the Tora Bora bombing when he seemed disappeared. Meanwhile we know he is up and well. These guys have seven lives, and a lot of money to pay for them.

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    Peter

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  • raldrich
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    possibly, but then again, nobody knows for sure if he's even alive at this point. just so long as he leaves, i don't really care what happens to him (granted for the things he's done, a slow agonizing death would be too good for him)

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  • aerpix
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    True, Carlos was a story of its own, but honestly I fear that catching Saddam could end up in a similiar way than Osama. You might get his army and his country rather easily, but not Saddam himself. I bet he has made precautions to escape already a long time ago. I do not believe he will die for his country.

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    Peter

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  • raldrich
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    I do agree about Osama, and in a way this war is probably (in his own mind) a way for GWB to "save face". after all, it is easier to find a government and an army than to find one man.. however, you Europeans had your ghost, too.. Carlos Ilych Ramirez Sanchez (aka the Jackal).. took many many years to nab that one.

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  • aerpix
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    Your credibility is already shot a little bit, I am afraid, for not getting Osama so far. I think he is a real threat, as his terror network is (still) extremely well organized and powerful. And I fear it won't be too long before we will experience this again ...

    Of course you are right about dictators, my idea was just hypothetic. Saddam is probably one of the most extreme, as he has not allowed anyting like an opposition which would be able to overthrow him. In other countries at least some sort of opposition plays a factor, or the military.

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    Peter

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  • raldrich
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    If aid for governments to change worked then fine I'd agree with it, however that theory unfortunately doesn't stand long against the oldest human trait.... Greed. No dictator would willingly unseat himself (nor has any since the Magna Charta was signed in England in the 11th century, if memory serves right). Most dictatorships fall forcefully (albeit due to internal coup de'etat).

    Please don't get me wrong Peter. I only support war as a last resort. I was a soldier once, and war is an ugly business, and should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately, the time for coaxing along saddam has come to an end, and he is being dealt with.. hopefully this will set an example for other nations, so that this will never have to happen again (but I know it won't.) Chances are however that we will become the very Pariahs that Israel has become, and just as much despised. (god for our sake I hope they find real proof over there, or our credability is shot.)

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  • aerpix
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    I agree that 'state-backed' terrorism has come to a halt. But still this is a UN mission for me, and not just an American one. I may repeat myself, but there are no proofs, whatsoever, that Saddam was involved in any of the terrorist attacks that harmed Americans.

    BTW, there are other states that are known to back terrorism, including Libya, Somalia, Sudan, North Korea and probably Syria. Also Iran and Pakistan are likely candidates, as we know that Osama bin Laden most probably hides in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    The governments of some of the above countries, however, are not in full command of their entire territory, i.e. Sudan or Somalia which has no real government but is rather commandeered by some tribe heads. In any such area terrorism can grow and hide easily. Also, terrorism is a weapon of the poor, who can not get heard otherwise. So instead of bringing war to these areas, should we not better help their governments and their people? Aide for democratic ruling instead of dictatorship?

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    Peter

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  • raldrich
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    I am well aware of the swiss government body, as I studied it in one of my poli sci courses in college. The swiss have a nearly ideal governmental system, and many nations could do well to imitate it.

    I do not criticize you for being anti-war, however not taking action against a terroristic tyrant is the same as appeasement in my book. The Commonwealth of Nations tried that in 1937, and the results were disasterous. Also, I understand, and agree with, the european sentiment towards Americas rather new outlook towards terrorism, seeing as how you in europe have dealt with it for over 30 years now, and gained little more than an "oh-hum" from the US. however we must all agree that it must now come to a crashing halt. and especially State-sponsored terrorism. And the use of NBC weapons (or even the threat of) should be acted upon immediately, with force if necessary. Saddam Hussein had every chance to show the world that he had terminated his weapons programs, and he chose to play games, and generally thumb his nose to the world with a "what are you gonna do if I don't?" attitude. if the United Nations had no intention of using force to bring about the end of his weapons programs, then why the deadlines and ultimatums.. he saw them for what they were - idle threats. After twelve years, we finallly said enough is enough. No more idle threats. I am sorry that the rest of the world doesn't agree, but what else truly would have stopped him???

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  • aerpix
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    Like you in America, we also enjoy the freedom of speech and opinion, and that's why I do not understand that we are being criticized just for being anti-war. There were hard words at both, Germany and France, coming from US officials.

    Lately I got the impression that the USA was saying: either you are for us, or against us. There was no intermediate way, which is exactly what neutrality, in this case for Switzerland, is aiming at.


    Regards,
    Peter

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  • raldrich
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    As for the American Electoral system, it is not always 100% perfect, however it is the best in the world, and I for one support my president, whoever he turns out to be.. if memory serves correctly though, you are wrong about Clinton and war.. especially since I was wounded in action during one of his little brushfires called Somalia. To Mr. Clinton's credit we can also add military action in Iraq in from 1994-1998, and our involvement in Haiti during the Aristide overthrow, to which I was also wounded in action. And one other thing.... All of America's wars EXCEPT the 2 Persian Gulf wars were started with a Democrat in office.

    So democrat vs. republican has no bearing here.

    as for comments about the swiss government, they are unfounded, as there are many excellent things that can be said for their canton governing policies, and one can also remember that they have manged to retain complete neutrality for hundreds of years, not an easy task..

    for many of you others, one of the greatest freedoms we enjoy is one which you are participating in now... We have recognized the God given right to freely complain.. there are still many people, in many nations, who are still severely punnished for their political or religious views, and also many more who are jailed without due process of law, and where women are devoid of rights, and many other freedoms that admittedly we Americans take for granted. Though we have our faults, this is still the greatest nation in the world.

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  • Southwest737
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    Originally posted by indian airlines
    Thank god NWA_Flyer757 and JeffM have stopped posting. Now we can have some peace.

    Ohhhh, I wish you hadn't said that.......

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  • indian airlines
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    Thank god NWA_Flyer757 and JeffM have stopped posting. Now we can have some peace.

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