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  • #16
    Chasen, sounds like you may be doin your approaches a we bit fast. Either that, or you're fixating on your landing point. Try aiming for a spot shortly before where you plan on landing. For example, if you want to land on the 2nd centerline stripe on a big instrument runway, aim for the one before it. If you're on a small runway, go for the numbers, by the time you flare and such, you will have floated past it and will hopefully land right on your spot.

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    • #17
      Thanks Joe, that seems to be the advice I'm getting from most people and I'm eager to try it. The airport I usually fly at, SQL, has few markings on the rather short runway, just the numbers and a faded "San Carlos" written across the runway. So I think I'll just focus on the "30" on the runway, and hopefully I'll be done floating by the time I get to the point where I plan to touchdown.
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      • #18
        well, I got my CFI checkride tomorrow morning, so if all goes well, I can now start charging you for advice Passed the oral this morning

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        • #19
          Good luck, Joe!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Crunk415balla
            Good luck, Joe!
            Emu wins!

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            • #21
              Congrats Joe!

              And who ever said Emu's couldn't fly?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Crunk415balla
                Congrats Joe!

                And who ever said Emu's couldn't fly?
                muchos gracias senor

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                • #23
                  Thats great to hear, Joe ! Finally! Right !.. Btw its Senr
                  Inactive from May 1 2009.

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                  • #24
                    congrats Joe! do Jp.net guys get a discount on your services?
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                    Forever New Frontiers

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                    • #25
                      Re:

                      Originally posted by screaming_emu
                      Emu wins!
                      Congratulations

                      Foxtrot

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                      • #26
                        Getting back on topic lol.....

                        I'm a constant flight simulator player which usually is a bad thing. However, I've watched multiple landings and whatnot in FS using the virtual cockpit and whatnot and the technique seems to be to

                        a. Come in at the correct speeds
                        b. Know what the airplane does (for instance the C172 can sink pretty good if you are slow and nose it over)
                        c. Get over the runway in or a little above ground effect
                        d. Hold it hold it hold it hold it off the runway until your airspeed bleeds off
                        e. When you start to sink, give the yoke a tug to get the nosewheel up and touch down nicely on the mains.

                        It's kind of hard to explain.

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                        • #27
                          Here is the advice I was given from a friend when I brought up my floating situation in the Cessna, this person recently got their CFI, and claims that this meathod never fails them in the Cessna.

                          ok when you come in in the cessna i usually come in at about 65-70kts full flaps and playing with the power a little just to keep the constant decent once your over the threshold cut the power get in ground effect level off to bleed off the airspeed and then just think when your applying back pressure think half an inch, half an inch,half an inch until you hear the stall horn grease it and keep applying back pressure until you cant pull back any more and just let the nose rest on the gear by its self and if you would like to stop shorter apply full aft yolk and hard brake pressure after you land but dont lock them up. thats what i do every time and i almost drop my instructors jaw every time my landings are greased.
                          Never heard about the half an inch thing, anyone else do something similar to this?
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                          • #28
                            Getting smooth landings

                            Hi, with several thousand airliner hours and probably 5000 landings I hope I can help.

                            First of all, a smooth landing isn't always a good landing, especially on wet runways when you could do with a bit of effort to help prevent aqua-planning, and also if the landing is smooth as a result of landing well into the runway!

                            A good landing is with the aeroplane at the correct speed and attitude (correct landing energy) and on the touchdownmarkers on the centre line. (A bit like setting the optimum Aperture / Shutter speed on your camera) This is certainly more likely if the approach is stable such that the landing phase is commenced from a fairly consistent point. (i.e. sunny 16-rule!)

                            Judging when to flare, and how much, and how certain variables are going to effect things is part of the skill of piloting, but is largely down to judging rates of closure with the ground. This is done largely by peripheral vision, which makes night and misty landings more tricky, also unusual runway widths. Although most modern airliners have a radio altimeter call out 50, 40, 30, 20, 10 which is useful. How much too flare, thats where looking down the runway helps as its easier to judge the pitch, and also keep from landing on the grass!

                            When to take the power off is a key judgement, too early and you either run out of energy and "plop" to the ground or over flare in order to create enough lift which risks scrapping the tail, rotating the wheels into the runway (Big Thump!!!) or ballooning which means creating more lift than weight and increasing the distance between the aeroplane and the runway. (Not good)

                            Leave it on too long and you have too much energy which means landing flat, floating or if you pitch to the normal attitude, ballooning, however I'd personally prefer to have (on a non length limiting runway) slightly more energy than too less and there is a very good argument for limiting thrust changes in the later changes of the approach because in most aeroplane there is a power pitch couple. This means taking power off will cause the nose to drop and vice versa.

                            Bad weather, often really shocking landings are done at the end of a stable approach in calm weather, I guess the part of the brain which controls all the human elements of the landing just isn't up to speed! Windy weather has the effect of making it much more difficult to be energy stable and the energy in the flare can change, sometimes rather dramatically due to gusts.

                            The Airbus that I flew had the facility to obtain a landing data printout which stated touchdown G, and all sorts of very interesting parameters, and yes if you landed too firm it did automatically let someone else in the office know!

                            Happy Landings to all!

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