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  • #76
    B737s were "around at the time" but they were no where near as common as B727s.
    A) What does statement 1 say about the image?
    Not particularly much at this point. Except perhaps that this airport is definately not new, but the architecture and general worn look made that clear anyway.



    2) The B727s were in airline service.
    B) What does statement 2 say about the airport?
    It confirms the airport is old.



    3) I can now tell you that B737s were also common visitors.
    C) What does statement 3 suggest about the aircraft type, given statement 2?
    Since the 727 ruled the sky, the 737 type in question is definately not a NG ('600 to '900 series). A "classic" ('300 to '500 series) is possible, but a geriatric ('100 to '200 series) are most likely. The '100 never saw that much action, so probably a '200 but that might be an assumption too far.



    D) Key Question: given what you have deduced from statements 1, 2 and 3, what does statement 4 suggest about the airport?
    It's an old airport that has fallen in disuse. That is, disuse from a commercial flights point of view. Had it not fallen in (commercial) disuse, then this site would certainly have a 737 picture. After all, any airport with a long enough runway will have (had) a scheduled 737 service. The 737 is the Opel Astra of the sky.

    That leaves one question, is the airport still in use? And if it is in use, what for? General aviation, biz-jets or military/coastguard.
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    • #77
      Peter, you have made some excellent observations! ...

      ... allow me to clarify:



      The Poet Says:

      Peter, Peter you have worked well
      Before I conclude, to you I will tell
      When each and every statement is clearly read
      Each deduction can be so simply said



      1) B737s were "around at the time" but they were no where near as common as B727s.
      A) What does statement 1 say about the image?

      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      Not particularly much at this point. Except perhaps that this airport is definately not new, but the architecture and general worn look made that clear anyway.
      The Goose Keeper says:

      You seem to be chasing a wild goose... the statement refers to the image, not the airport.


      But, I think you probably identified, from what you say elsewhere, that the image is old, specifically of the time when B727s were far more common than B737s



      2) The B727s were in airline service.
      B) What does statement 2 say about the airport?

      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      It confirms the airport is old.

      And so it does, but more importantly it confirms, once and for all, something that has never yet been fully established.

      Don't forget, that Military, GA and Biz have also visited this airport so this statement confirms that at the time when the photograph was taken, the airport was definitely a commercial airport.



      3) I can now tell you that B737s were also common visitors.
      C) What does statement 3 suggest about the aircraft type, given statement 2?


      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      Since the 727 ruled the sky, the 737 type in question is definately not a NG ('600 to '900 series). A "classic" ('300 to '500 series) is possible, but a geriatric ('100 to '200 series) are most likely. The '100 never saw that much action, so probably a '200 but that might be an assumption too far.
      Peter, I don't think your words show that you are assuming anything. You say "most likely" and "probably" and, indeed, you are probably correct.

      The simplest point, which you obviously imply but don't make explicit, is that the (common) B737s were probably also in airline service, not Military / Government or Biz.


      D) Key Question: given what you have deduced from statements 1, 2 and 3, what does statement 4 suggest about the airport?


      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      It's an old airport that has fallen in disuse. That is, disuse from a commercial flights point of view. Had it not fallen in (commercial) disuse, then this site would certainly have a 737 picture. After all, any airport with a long enough runway will have (had) a scheduled 737 service. The 737 is the Opel Astra of the sky.

      The Poet says:

      Your reasoning is cool, you're thinking a lot
      Your reading is smart, your deduction is hot!


      Peter, you have nailed this important deduction. Congratulations!
      ... and I confirm that this airport is no longer a commercial airport


      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      That leaves one question, is the airport still in use? And if it is in use, what for? General aviation, biz-jets or military/coastguard.

      The Poet says:

      Your question is smart but seems to make one small assumption
      Discover the mistake, and I'll give you the function
      With it as well, I'll give one more time
      Some information to ponder, and the airport to find!


      Fantastic work Peter... the shadow of the net can be seen over the ramp!


      Firstly, I can tell you for sure that the airport is still in use.

      Secondly, I hope I don't misunderstand your meaning, but it is written as if you are making a slight assumption. To help you, here's the problemmatic line...

      Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
      General aviation, biz-jets or military/coastguard.
      ... and to answer your question, all you need to do is change one word in that sentence.

      When someone posts up what they believe to be the correct sentence I will confirm what this airport is used for now and then give you, free of any work whatsoever, another very interesting and important piece of information that ought to nail it for you.


      I'm off to sleep so I bid you all, good night, good morning, good afternoon and good evening... wherever you are, and whenever you are.


      Paul
      Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-05, 00:38.



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      • #78
        General aviation, biz-jets or military/coastguard
        ... and to answer your question, all you need to do is change one word in that sentence.
        or = and, General aviation, biz-jets and military/coastguard
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
          or = and, General aviation, biz-jets and military/coastguard

          The Goose Keeper says:

          You have done well Peter and you will be richly rewarded for staying away from the wild geese!


          Here is some information for you to feast upon:


          On-line data about this airport tends to be a little patchy since verifiable up to date information is a little suspect.

          However, whilst there is a suggestion that the airport still has some scheduled commercial traffic, apparently ninety-nine percent or more is not commercial, of which eighty to ninety percent is General Aviation (assumed to include Biz also) after which Military and Air Taxi movements split the difference.

          The Airport was constructed in the 1930s and was considered to be at the leading edge of airport design, particularly with respect to contemporary architectural excellence of the time. Personally, I don’t think the image on this thread makes this well known styling too obvious.

          The airport retains its original ICAO code which alludes to the area it serves, the consequences of which ensure that the ICAO code of the current major commercial airport in this area doesn’t make an immediately obvious link to the area.

          Although the current major airport does allude to its former name, when I travelled through it in 1988, on two Continental DC9-30s, it had already changed its name to the one it was subsequently given and which it retains to this day.

          I can confirm that you should be looking near water, even though the image of the Albatross I have seen at this airport stands on the ramp. Part of that image is shown below.






          The Poet says:

          By all means sleuths, ahead you must go
          But this I will tell you, although I don’t fully know
          You have an image now, and your logic thinks “short cut”
          But searching for the image could take a lot longer than the thought cut!

          Nonetheless detectives, you now have a feast
          Of information to sort and methods, at least
          Google Earth and images, snippets and truths
          The Goose Keeper says: no more chasing goose!



          Enjoy your research!



          Paul
          Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-05, 21:47. Reason: Rhythm meter on last line of poem



          All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last (Marcel Proust)

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          • #80
            I can confirm that you should be looking near water, even though the image of the Albatross I have seen at this airport stands on the ramp. Part of that image is shown below.

            Aaaaah....but salt .....or fresh water ?
            If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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            • #81
              Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
              Aaaaah....but salt .....or fresh water ?

              The Goose Keeper says:

              You keep your geese well Brian!


              The Poet says:

              This is a good question, a focus no doubt
              And reward for the thought, I'll give virtual trout
              But as you well know, of these there are two
              Is fresh or is salt? Too easy for you!!

              Alas for you Sir, to think that you would
              Elicit the answer, its far, far too good!
              I'll give you more clues, if find you cannot
              From what you now have in the factual cook-pot

              'tis something therin, that so calls to you
              To rip up the box, and sideways pursue
              If facts you consider and deductions you make
              A more interesting way will lead you so straight

              The first who sees this, will narrow the place
              Where airport doth lie, and its partner for State
              Because if you tread along this thought road
              I will garauntee it's "all systems go!"

              So here's the full answer, to your big request
              I'll not merely tell, with the utmost respect
              While some place great faith in knowledge and guile
              It's wisdom that does what intelligence can't!

              So to the conclusion of this merry verse
              It merely remains for me to be terse
              My friend has two trout and will give you a clue
              When next he posts up, a riddle for you




              The Fisherman says:



              I see you are a fisherman too Brian... here, have some trout!






              (Salt Water Trout)

              (Fresh Water Trout)


              As The Poet said, I've contracted the services of The Fisherman to provide your next challenge which will reveal another piece of information about this airport... that is, if no-one locates the airport by the time The Fisherman has caught, gutted and cooked the challenge for you.



              Paul
              Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-06, 10:38. Reason: Trout labels were wrong! ... causing a Red Herring!!



              All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last (Marcel Proust)

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              • #82
                This thing is driving me crazy, flyin boats that don't necessarily need a water runway (like the Grumman HU-16 Albatross...)...

                But if there are definitely no 744s - maybe one or two 742s, but 727s and yet another sort of albatroses... Opa-Locka.

                And they have quite a collection there (if that were the solution), DC-10 without the rear center engine so that you look into or better through a tunnel...
                That's what airlines are good for, amongst others,
                The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
                And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
                Aviation enthusiast, since more than 35 years with home airport EDDL.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by HB-IHC View Post
                  (Salt Water Trout)
                  +
                  (Sea Water Trout)
                  A salt water trout,
                  swims happily in the sea.
                  A sea water trout,
                  can only agree.

                  A curious thing, about the sea,
                  it is salty, wouldn't you agree?
                  All your fish like to be salty,
                  unless, that is, the labels are faulty.

                  I am truly curious,
                  are the labels serious?
                  The implication is strong,
                  here's hoping the labels ain't wrong.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by LH-B744 View Post
                    This thing is driving me crazy

                    ... Opa-Locka.
                    The Goose Keeper says:

                    Ooooer, crazy isn't good LH-B744 - autopilot for a while?

                    You don't have to worry about the types any more because they have served their purpose in telling you something about the airport. Check the recent replies to Peter - they hold all the information you need.

                    The Poet says:

                    LH-B744
                    A plane I adore
                    But Opa-Locka
                    Is like Mocca Chocca


                    Es tut mir leid, aber Opa Locka ist den falschen Flugplatz


                    Translation?... cut and paste (German to what ever you like) here: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
                    (NB: "Opa" in German means "Grandpa"... the statement and translation are not cryptic (i.e. not a puzzle))



                    Paul




                    Originally posted by Petertenthije View Post
                    A salt water trout,
                    swims happily in the sea.
                    A sea water trout,
                    can only agree.

                    A curious thing, about the sea,
                    it is salty, wouldn't you agree?
                    All your fish like to be salty,
                    unless, that is, the labels are faulty.

                    I am truly curious,
                    are the labels serious?
                    The implication is strong,
                    here's hoping the labels ain't wrong.

                    The Poet says:


                    Peter you solicit an apology from me
                    The labels were faulty, as you said - both said "sea"
                    So for this one deed, of pointing it out
                    I'll reward your correctness with information of clout

                    I don't want anybody to waste time being curious
                    About information that's wrong, especially when not serious
                    I understand why you, have questioned this thing
                    It shows superb sleuth work, the best I have seen

                    And put, as you have, in verse eloquent
                    My pleasure it is, to give my consent
                    To grant a reward for all your tenacity...
                    ... the State of this airport is not Mississippi!


                    Superb Peter


                    Paul


                    Important Amendment: the labels on the trout images (below or above depending on how you organise your threads) have been changed to what they should have been in the first place. Apologies for this "Red Herring"!.. 'twas merely a simple mistake to label them "Salt Water" and "Sea Water". Thanks to Super-Sleuth, Peter, for a very astute enquiry on that!...

                    ... and, as you can all see, you have all been richly rewarded for his work!
                    Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-06, 11:38.



                    All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last (Marcel Proust)

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                    • #85
                      So it is on salt water

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by ced ampo View Post
                        So it is on salt water
                        The Goose Keeper says:

                        Your geese sure are running wild but, worse than that, you seem to be inviting me to chase them!

                        I don't do Wild Goose Chasing... it wastes too much time and energy and life is too short, but if you can explain what you mean I will get The Fisherman to make the watery theme absolutely crystal clear to you and everyone else.


                        Ced Ampo: read your statement carefully, it implies that you know the airport is on salt water.


                        A) If that's what you mean, then I have one question for you:

                        How do you know it is on salt water?


                        B) If that isn't what you mean, then I have two questions for you:


                        How can you be 100% sure that, when you read something, it is a question?

                        How can you make sure that other people know when you have asked a question?


                        If you need a clue... check my questions here. What does every question have in common?


                        The Poet says:

                        As sure as you are you and I am me,
                        Into our heads no other will see
                        I won't chase wild geese but, if something you want
                        I make this request, please make clear your point
                        If you can tell me exactly what you mean
                        Ced Ampo, the answer, The Fisherman will explain


                        The Fisherman will explain very clearly and give you the answer... but he is confused with your post. Are you stating something or asking something?


                        Paul
                        Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-06, 12:49.



                        All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last (Marcel Proust)

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                        • #87
                          If trout get the boot
                          parhaps Tigers are Moot?

                          Chennault International Airport (IATA: CWF, ICAO: KCWF, FAA LID: CWF)


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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by cja View Post
                            If trout get the boot
                            parhaps Tigers are Moot?
                            The Poet says:

                            No animal is moot
                            They all get the boot!
                            Since they matter no more
                            For the airport to explore

                            Grrrrr



                            All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last (Marcel Proust)

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                            • #89
                              The Fisherman says:

                              Following Brian's clever expedition fishing for a huge answer, you now only have 4 States to look in, not 5. Because no-one has found the airport from the information you have, here is another challenge to help you find out another major piece of information.

                              This post will do 2 things:

                              1) Clarify the information you have so far
                              2) Provide the next challenge


                              A) RECAP OF ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION:

                              So far your efforts have revealed that:

                              1. The airport is in one of the follwing southern US States...
                              ....... Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana
                              2. The airport lies near water.
                              3. All of the following...

                              On-line data about this airport tends to be a little patchy since verifiable up to date information is a little suspect.

                              However, whilst there is a suggestion that the airport still has some scheduled commercial traffic, apparently ninety-nine percent or more is not commercial, of which eighty to ninety percent is General Aviation (assumed to include Biz also) after which Military and Air Taxi movements split the difference.

                              The Airport was constructed in the 1930s and was considered to be at the leading edge of airport design, particularly with respect to contemporary architectural excellence of the time. Personally, I don’t think the image on this thread makes this well known styling too obvious.

                              The airport retains its original ICAO code which alludes to the area it serves, the consequences of which ensure that the ICAO code of the current major commercial airport in this area doesn’t make an immediately obvious link to the area.

                              Although the current major airport does allude to its former name, when I travelled through it in 1988, on two Continental DC9-30s, it had already changed its name to the one it was subsequently given and which it retains to this day.


                              B) THE NEXT CHALLENGE:

                              This is a sequence of increasingly difficult tasks which all have something to do with another major piece of information about this airport. This will make it a lot easier for you to find the airport so the information will not be revealed too easily!


                              The Goose Keeper says:

                              Unlike every other challenge so far, I am not available to guide you away from any Wild Goose Chases on this one, so make sure you read the information and instructions very closely!


                              The Poet says:

                              I will be here
                              To give you good cheer
                              But what I won't do
                              Is give you a clue

                              So focus on facts
                              And wear clever hats
                              This challenge to unfold
                              So that info. be told!


                              Challenge, Part 1: Search and Find

                              Skill Level: Basic

                              At the time of writing I have 567 images on the JetPhotos database. The remarks on one of these photographs, taken in 2007, mentions a well known Rock Band. Find it as quickly as you can and report back:

                              1. Which image is it?
                              2. Which Rock Band is it?

                              The Poet says:

                              JP.Net provides us with all the relevant tools
                              to find this image quickly if you follow one simple rule.
                              You can look at every picture but if you want to find it quick
                              Use a method of different sorts to do this easy bit


                              Once the two questions are answerd, you will receive Part 2 of this challenge.


                              Happy hunting sleuths!



                              Paul
                              Last edited by HB-IHC; 2009-11-06, 22:24.



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                              • #90
                                Wait, I'm confused. So the answer was not Chennault International Airport?
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