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  • ced ampo
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    This is because your bag stowed was on the right side.
    Nah. probably crosswind or the pilots are playin'

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  • Evan
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    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    3 Landing on right side gear, – continuing for 5 – 10 seconds & then lowering left wing / gear down. No puncture/failure or emergency.
    This is because your bag stowed was on the right side.

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  • Highkeas
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    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    ............. what seemed about half take off speed – it seemed like minimal distance we were airborne. ..........

    Flights prior to this, every flight since & procedure according to ‘FTBJ’ we’ve turned onto runway, assumingly awaited clearance, then spooled up, released the brakes & off we go.
    ...............................................
    Half speed is not an issue - dynamic presure is a function of velocity squared - so at half speed the plane only had a quarter of lift required for take-off.

    Aircraft often increase engine power prior to runway entry and proceed to take-off without stopping- it depends on how busy the airport is.

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  • mzk49o1
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    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    2, Hurried & thrilling take off, powering up whilst turning adjoining runway at least half take off speed.
    That may be because the 757 is something of a rocket.

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  • Peter Kesternich
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    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    May 1993 Gatwick due to depart to Faro, (...) noticed cockpit door open, (...) it stayed open until safety routine.
    In the 1990s an open cockpit door wasn't unusual at all. Only after 11 Spet. 2001 did this become an issue.

    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    (...) the captain announced he was hoping for an immediate runway slot, or we may have a severe delay (...) We taxied away from the terminal rapidly (compared to previous/subsequent flights), we then made a turn to the left at same speed. Half way around the turn engines spooled up, completed the turn onto the runway at what seemed about half take off speed – it seemed like minimal distance we were airborne. Wow I thought, these 757’s are pretty impressive – even handle well on the ground!
    Looks like an intersection rolling takeoff to save time on departure. Seems like the ATC slot time was expiring and the crew had to get of the ground quickly. Not that unusal either. What might have seemed like half takeoff speed was probably in the area of 30-40 kts. Already pretty fast on the ground.

    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    We approached the runway slightly banked to the right (my side) I don’t think we were in a crosswind as we were lined up parallel to runway edge. The plane touched down on the right side landing gear & the wingtip looked perilously close to the ground. A quick glance out of the opposite side & I could see only sky.

    We carried along the runway in this fashion for what seemed like an eternity, finally lowering the left wheel & reverse thrust, brakes etc.
    It's really difficult to judge bank angle and runway alignment from looking out a passenger window. From what you described this seems to have been a cross-wind landing... not too well executed I might add

    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    I’ve mentioned this to a few people over the years & best explanation for the landing was ‘to practice for a left side gear failure’. Is this likely, with 230 passengers on board?
    See above... I have never heard for "practice for a left side gear failure" and if there is/was anything like that in Monarch's flight training syllabus it would not have taken place on a passenger carrying flight.

    Originally posted by dkmax View Post
    Thanks in advance for any help putting this one to bed – 17 years later - lol
    You're welcome
    Last edited by Peter Kesternich; 2010-05-03, 15:23.

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  • dkmax
    started a topic 757 take off/land question

    757 take off/land question

    Hello all, thanks for a great discussion board, I’ve followed with interest for a couple of years now. First post from me & probably just a regular event question – doh! Sadly my knowledge is only limited to a few commercial flights per year, a couple of Cessna lessons & MsFS, what a lightweight!

    Off the back of ‘the stall’ thread, I purchased ‘flying the big jets’ a great read & very informative, thanks for the recommendation

    The book actually pushed me to ask a question about a flight in 1993 that seemed odd at the time, not happened since, no doubt there’s a simple explanation…

    May 1993 Gatwick due to depart to Faro, my first flight on a 757 (Monarch G MONC) I think. Boarded plane as normal, noticed cockpit door open, I was impressed with computer screen filled panels of modern jet compared to analogue dials expected, never seen that before I thought, it stayed open until safety routine.

    Sitting at the back on right side window seat, I noticed ground crew repacking & taping an overloaded bag, which may well be the reason that a frustrated sounding captain announced a slight delay. Imagine the embarrassment – it was my bag! Kept that one quiet though!

    Bag repaired, the captain announced he was hoping for an immediate runway slot, or we may have a severe delay. We started push back.

    The first of 2 main questions then arose – was this take off normal?

    We taxied away from the terminal rapidly (compared to previous/subsequent flights), we then made a turn to the left at same speed. Half way around the turn engines spooled up, completed the turn onto the runway at what seemed about half take off speed – it seemed like minimal distance we were airborne. Wow I thought, these 757’s are pretty impressive – even handle well on the ground!

    Having looked at Google map/satellite of Gatwick, the only explanation I can see is that we departed North terminal along taxiway heading West & began a 180 degree left turn ¾ of way along parallel to main runway (not tight by comparison to end of runway normal pre take off turn) merging with runway from the left. Was take off power selected exiting corner on runway slip road taking off to the East?

    That is speculation from memory, though for sure, we definitely accelerated hard whilst still completing a left turn & then merged with runway from the right.

    Flights prior to this, every flight since & procedure according to ‘FTBJ’ we’ve turned onto runway, assumingly awaited clearance, then spooled up, released the brakes & off we go.

    2nd Question then arose..

    Flight to Faro was uneventful until touchdown. We approached the runway slightly banked to the right (my side) I don’t think we were in a crosswind as we were lined up parallel to runway edge. The plane touched down on the right side landing gear & the wingtip looked perilously close to the ground. A quick glance out of the opposite side & I could see only sky.

    We carried along the runway in this fashion for what seemed like an eternity, finally lowering the left wheel & reverse thrust, brakes etc. Taxi ride uneventful.

    I’ve mentioned this to a few people over the years & best explanation for the landing was ‘to practice for a left side gear failure’. Is this likely, with 230 passengers on board?

    Three things odd that day

    1, Cockpit door, though I’m almost reluctant to mention that, maybe air con had packed up – lol!

    2, Hurried & thrilling take off, powering up whilst turning adjoining runway at least half take off speed.

    3 Landing on right side gear, – continuing for 5 – 10 seconds & then lowering left wing / gear down. No puncture/failure or emergency.

    Thanks in advance for any help putting this one to bed – 17 years later - lol
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