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[BoeingBobby]

Thank you for the information. Finally, we have an answer to the question. Now as to if they took off with contamination on the aircraft, we will have to wait on the NTSB report....

[BoeingBobby]

Luckily, Atlas has contract people to do that. Probably cost 10k to do a 747. Lear used to cost 2500 in the 80's at TEB. Yes there is de-icing, and then anti-icing, which then has specific hold over times depending on the fluid used, percentage of fluid to water and type and rate of precipitation. THIS IS WHY I HAVE ASKED FOR ANY DETAILS!...

[BoeingBobby]

I said, I said that's a joke son....

[BoeingBobby]

This is why I have asked numerous times at this point (with no answers) are there any reports of de-ice/anti-ice procedures being accomplished? And believe it or not, I have flown in winter conditions a few times. (I was based in ANC for my last 5 years.) And Krasnoyarsk in December @ -40 F is lot's of fun.

[BoeingBobby]

Airplane in a heated hangar overnight? There are many things that come into play. But when you haven't really done it....

[BoeingBobby]

Okay, I've gotten used to it. Also the first couple of times was on my Android phone. On the laptop it's just fine....

[BoeingBobby]

Now in the Randazzo simulator, I think they all happen at once! But that's only a guess because I have never seen a Randazzo simulator.

[BoeingBobby]

It also has a PT-6 for power, hence engine inlet heating. I don't know what it has for windshield, bleed air or electric. But one more time, it very well may be that is was not necessary.

[BoeingBobby]

Again I ask, where is the reference to it being needed or done? You keep talking about de-ice/ anti-ice and have given no indication of either....

[BoeingBobby]

I have made plenty of ITO's in corporate aircraft from uncontrolled airports. I have also made at least 20 in the 74 out of HSV late at night after the control tower had closed at 2300 lcl. As 3WE said, either a telephone call to FSS or more often a call to the Center on VHF on the ground, will give you a clearance with a "be off the ground by" time. Not a big deal. I am still waiting for acknowledgement of any de-ice/anti-ice procedures performed or requirements for the flight. The aircraft in question is certified for and equipped for single pilot IFR and flight into known icing.

[BoeingBobby]

Part 91 flight. I am still looking for reference to de-iced/ anti- ice.

[BoeingBobby]

As usual, WTF do your diatribes have ANYTHING to do with the subject of the original post?

[BoeingBobby]

May have been a professional pilot. Again there is a tremendous difference between being legal and proficient. An ITO requires you to be "on the gauges" immediately after rotation. Taking off in white out conditions or total darkness is an invitation for spatial disorientation....

[BoeingBobby]

Do you have information as to the aricraft not being de-iced?...

[BoeingBobby]

That is the difference between between being legal to fly IFR, and being proficient. You will find, if you research it, that insurance companies require yearly FlightSafety/Simuflight type classes for all turbine aircraft. Just because you have that instrument rating in your pocket, an ITO, instrument take off, is something that should be trained for. I flew single pilot IFR both corporate and Part 135 for years before I went to the airlines. I went to FlightSafety every year and got an ICC each time....

[BoeingBobby]

A joke right?...

[BoeingBobby]

No offense ATL. It was an Airbus! I would have declared an emergency too!

If it ain't a Boeing, I'm not going....

[BoeingBobby]

Proving my point, thank you....

[BoeingBobby]

As ATL would say, WHAT! And the fact that you have a logbook for your FSX flying is hilarious!!

[BoeingBobby]

What is a 747-800? And if you want to be called an Idiot, I will let another member do so....