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[Gabriel]

That's actually not that bad of an answer. When YOU apply glyphosate on a crop, is it to reduce the billions and billions of bugs on YOU?

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In the middle of the surgery with their face on top of the patient?...

[Gabriel]

You were not saying that it is extremely unlikely that the slats suffered an uncommanded retraction in flight?...

[Gabriel]

No. that would be an obscure and unlikely natural cause....

[Gabriel]

Except that Bert didn't say any of that

Evan and I, on the other hand, do agree with what Bert was actually saying: It is extremely unlikely that the slats suffered an uncommanded retraction in flight.



Another one with reading comprehension issues...

"The slats were retracted. Therefore the flaps were not set."

That (verbatim) was xspeedy's comment. Even replied to that with a one-liner. I replied to that with, surprisingly, a one-liner too.

A ONE-LINER. That can be further summarized as "Therefore my arse".

The rest was Bert contesting what he thought we were saying except that we were not saying that, and we trying to set the record straight.

And now you join the club and objecting to what you think we were saying except that we were not and agreeing with what you think Bert was saying except that he was not.

You are so Gen-Z....

[Gabriel]

My last comment was the first time that I (or Evan for the matter) entertained any hypothesis of how the slat of Swift could have retracted in flight, if it did, which we have no reason to suspect it did.

The rest of the time we were talking about this other one:...

[Gabriel]

bstole, stop it please. Evan and I are saying that the state that the plane was found AFTET THE CRASH (including the position that the slat actuator was found AFTER the crash) doesn't need to match the state that it had BEFORE IMPACT, and therefore "speculating about the aircraft state at or after the impact doesn't make sense if you want to find out why the crash happened and/or why the 737 started to roll."

Once again, and for the last time:

- Photo leaked of the actuator found retracted AFTER THE CRASH.
- Blanolirio makes a video speculating that this can be an indication that the slat was retracted BEFORE THE CRASH.
- xspeedy linking this video and asking "Slats retracted, therefore flaps not set?"
- Evan and I saying over, and over, and over again, that the fact that the slat actuator was found retracted AFTER THE CRASH doesn't mean that the slat was retracted BEFORE THE CRASH.
- You understanding everything wrong....

[Gabriel]

Question (rhetorical): Why do doctors use surgical masks during surgery?

This thread sickens me.

[Gabriel]

Who, other than you, is talking about an uncommanded slat retraction in flight in this accident?

[Gabriel]

Any of the videos. The fireball part. Which pretty much indicates catastrophic damage.....

[Gabriel]

And pests will pest, so don't pesticide. And droughts will drought, so don't irrigate.

I would say that getting trapped in a droplet held in the electrostatic strand of a mask is part of "virusing"....

[Gabriel]

Once you roll almost inverted and dig the wing into the ground, all bets are off, as they should because at that point you don't need that slat anymore anyway....

[Gabriel]

By the way he is the guy that owns the "The Boeing 737 Technical Site", which he has had for a couple of decades now and is constantly updating, and he started to do YouTube videos a couple of years ago that he also posts in the relevant sections of his website, that's where I found this video:
http://www.b737.org.uk/
http://www.b737.org.uk/flightcontrol...g_Edge_Devices

He is the guy that made those 737-900 plug doors videos too after the Alaska incident. And I also exchanged a couple of emails with him and he is very humble and open....

[Gabriel]

The feature is explained in the first minutes of the video (check 4:14) when he is talking about the inboard LE Kruger flaps. He mentions there that the slat actuators have the same feature....

[Gabriel]

Pilots need to become used to cross-check instruments on a regular basis as part of the normal instrument scan so it becomes natural, rather than an extraordinary thing to remember to do, in moments of stress and confusion.

If not, the backup doesn't work as a backup.

[Gabriel]

737 does have retention valves, or whatever they are called.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrpfIPRbfqo

(This guy must be the most knowledgeable human about 737s that ever lived on Earth)...

[Gabriel]

I didn't see a meteorite, but I am quite sure that what I did see in the video corresponds, with almost certainty, to parts of the wing separating from the 737. It's not like the slat actuator shown in Juan's video was found in an intact wing... or a wing at all.


Well, then you are disagreeing with our opinion regarding a video that you didn't even watch....

[Gabriel]

Well, we were not actively ruling that out. But we were also not actively ruling out meteorites as the cause of the crash and that doesn't mean that we are supporting the meteorites theory.

Look how this started:

xspeedy: Interesting. Slats retracted, therefore flaps not set? (and link to the Blancolirio's video showing the slat actuator found retracted)

Evan: He [Juan also known as Blancolirio] is going from single slat actuator disconnected from hydraulic power and slammed into the ground. I can think of a few reasons why if might be in the retracted position that have nothing to do with where it was in flight. The DFDR will tell the tale.

Gabriel: I as about to comment exactly the same. Probably they also found some damage in the engines and holes in the fuselage and let me guess that the wing was found with some permanent deformation.

bstolle: I wouldn't be so sure about that one. Upon impact hydraulically powered parts...

[Gabriel]

What? Evan nor I are NOT claiming that the slat may have retracted uncommented during flight, be it one segment or all of them. What both of us ARE saying is that the fact that the actuator was found after the crash in the retracted position doesn't necessarily imply that it was retracted at any point pre-impact. It could be that (commanded or uncommented), or it could be that the slat was perfectly extended all the time until the 9impact, and that the actuator retracted during the crash sequence due to impact forces and damage....

[Gabriel]

No. I would seat facing left and stretching my legs over the center pedestal....

[Gabriel]

Hydraulic pressure? No. There may be valves that traps the fluid inside, said valves being open only while the slats are actuated to allow fluid to go into or out of the cylinder, so even if you cut the lines (but not between said valves and the piston) the piston cannot move. But if the slats are actuated by a hydraulic piston, what keeps them in place in the event that the hydraulic cylinder itself, or its fittings, or said valves, are severed so the cylinder is not a "pressure vessel" anymore?...