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  • Petrol and Diesel prices. How to fight back...

    Are you as pissed off as I am at being ripped off for your petrol costs while the governments, by way of taxes, and OPEC by way of holding a loaded gun to our heads, rake in the petro-pounds/dollars/euros/yen...whatever currency you wish to name ?

    Don't bother with a one day "I won't buy petrol/diesel for today only" protest which makes fuck all difference to the petrol companies. They can collectively absorb one days loss of about 10% profit. Try this rather innovative idea which won't mean you having to interrupt your life. Copy and paste this text into an email and send it to your friends and colleagues in your address book. Let's try to stop this lunacy of so called oil shortages. THERE ARE NO SHORTAGES ! The OPEC nations are sitting on more wells and known reserves that are not currently being tapped than you could ever imagine.

    Go on, try it. You can't lose really ! All I will say is that it's aimed at the UK market with prices expressed in UK£'s but it can apply all over the world regardless of currency.

    We are hitting £1. 118 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £1.26 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

    This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain
    day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever
    thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
    to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market placenot sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

    For the rest of this year DON'T purchase
    ANYpetrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one),ESSO and BP (they also charge the most now).


    If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of
    Esso and BP petrol buyers.It's really simple to do!!

    Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

    I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send i
    tto at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to atleast ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reachedover THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and
    pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

    THREE HUNDRED MILLION
    PEOPLE!!!

    Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and
    not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt,
    all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the
    next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes
    sense to you, please pass this message on.

    PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRERANGE


    It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your
    petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e.boycott BP and Esso.
    If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !


  • #2
    So a chain email is supposed to help?

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    • #3
      So a chain email is supposed to help?
      Yes, if everyone follows the plan. It's time governments and multinationals got screwed instead of us.

      Mind you, if you have a diesel powered vehicle this might interest you...and it would still screw the petrol companies and the taxman....always assuming that you didn't tell him...which, of course, you should.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFbsaNeZps&feature=related
      Last edited by brianw999; 2008-05-27, 22:00.
      If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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      • #4
        Does anyone actually think this would work ? If you actually take this seriously, it's total nonsense and won't make a blind bit of difference to the price issue - for various reasons. For one, whom do you think Sainsbury's, Tesco etc. buy their fuel from ? For two, petrol and oil are fungible and if they disappear from one place, a more limited quantity will be spread over the remainder of the system and probably push prices higher !

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        • #5
          Does anyone actually think this would work ?
          More importantly...has anyone actually tried it ?
          If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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          • #6
            Originally posted by brianw999
            More importantly...has anyone actually tried it ?
            Even if a million people tried it (which is, to put it mildly, highly unlikely), it would not work, for reasons I stated. Also, it's not the oil companies who control the prices of oil and oil products anyway, even though people like to think this is so. Everyone likes to bash the oil companies, assuming they make the devil look holy. However, we need to support the oil companies badly, because a) they produce, distribute and refine the stuff we need to sustain life as we know it, b) they are major components and employers in the western and world economies, c) they contribute vast amounts in taxes to governments, d) only oil companies have any probability to explore for and produce the additional oil resources the world will need in the future, and e) paradoxically or otherwise, the oil companies are probably best placed, long-term, to finance and develop alternative energy technologies. Following the chain e-mail is just insanity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HalcyonDays
              Even if a million people tried it (which is, to put it mildly, highly unlikely), it would not work, for reasons I stated. Also, it's not the oil companies who control the prices of oil and oil products anyway, even though people like to think this is so. Everyone likes to bash the oil companies, assuming they make the devil look holy. However, we need to support the oil companies badly, because a) they produce, distribute and refine the stuff we need to sustain life as we know it, b) they are major components and employers in the western and world economies, c) they contribute vast amounts in taxes to governments, d) only oil companies have any probability to explore for and produce the additional oil resources the world will need in the future, and e) paradoxically or otherwise, the oil companies are probably best placed, long-term, to finance and develop alternative energy technologies. Following the chain e-mail is just insanity.
              A start would be to allow for exploration and drilling in the US, since we are sitting on some pretty large oil reserves that haven't been tapped. All this talking you see in congress about gas prices is BS, if they wanted to do something they would open up places like ANWR to exploration/drilling. Unfortunatly even doing so, wouldn't help very quickly since it would take a while to find oil and set everything up. If it was allowed a few years ago, however, maybe we would be a little better off now. We are in the situation we are in because we are too dependant on foreign oil, when we have our own reserves but some people would rather pay high prices for gas than possibly inconvenience a few moose or polar bears, unfortunatly this mindset has way too much pull in Washington, and people don't seem to think that if it weren't for the exploitation of natural resources, civilization wouldn't have developed as it has. As it is, we are getting screwed royally, and hopefully someone comes to their senses and realizes that we need to tap our own reserves.

              http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lea8W-R-XE
              Although the guy in the video is pumping only 3 barrels a day, there is probably a hell of a lot down there, not to mention other places around the country.

              At least stuff like this is promising though: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan.../D90M84EO1.htm

              Also, this e-mail is nothing new, has been on facebook for months.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Airbus_A320
                A start would be to allow for exploration and drilling in the US, since we are sitting on some pretty large oil reserves that haven't been tapped. All this talking you see in congress about gas prices is BS, if they wanted to do something they would open up places like ANWR to exploration/drilling. Unfortunatly even doing so, wouldn't help very quickly since it would take a while to find oil and set everything up. If it was allowed a few years ago, however, maybe we would be a little better off now. We are in the situation we are in because we are too dependant on foreign oil, when we have our own reserves but some people would rather pay high prices for gas than possibly inconvenience a few moose or polar bears, unfortunatly this mindset has way too much pull in Washington, and people don't seem to think that if it weren't for the exploitation of natural resources, civilization wouldn't have developed as it has. As it is, we are getting screwed royally, and hopefully someone comes to their senses and realizes that we need to tap our own reserves.

                http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lea8W-R-XE
                Although the guy in the video is pumping only 3 barrels a day, there is probably a hell of a lot down there, not to mention other places around the country.
                As I understand it, many mom and pop oil wells in Texas and Oklahoma are gaining a new lease on life, but they're not much in the grand scheme of things. The problem is that no-one is sure whether these current very high prices will last, since they need to last for several years in order to sustain new exploration, or extracting marginal oil from existing wells, or even developing new technology such as shale. In the last week I've read forecasts saying oil will be $200 this year or fall back to $65. One way of dealing with the uncertainty is to put a floor under the price, eg. $75 per barrel, or minimum of $4 per gallon of gasoline : that way, maybe there will be incentives to boost extraction from smaller fields, move to smaller vehicles and invest in improvements in our infrastructure (as well as deterring consumption).

                The other problem the oil market has is distribution. There is actually no real shortage of oil in the ground. It's a problem of a) upstream production capacity shortage, and b) downstream shortage of distribution and refining capacity. Basically, in short, not enough pipelines and refineries to meet the increases in demand, and while oil companies could certainly do more here, they are blocked by legislators and 'not-in-my-backyard' moaning.

                I meant to ask earlier regarding the chain e-mail. Why on earth is Shell in the list of good boys and Exxon and BP in the list of bad boys ? This is another example of the total insanity of the proposal.

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                • #9
                  Why on earth is Shell in the list of good boys
                  Actually, I thought the same ! Isn't Shell part of the BP group anyway ?
                  If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                  • #10
                    In the states we reduced our travel by almost 5% during the holiday. you really want to give them one, take mass trans, ride a bike, walk, ride share..whatever you do dont buy gas, diesel, or what have you. thats the only way to get them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by brianw999
                      Isn't Shell part of the BP group anyway ?
                      No it is not. I think it's actually larger than BP.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RichPhitzwell
                        In the states we reduced our travel by almost 5% during the holiday. you really want to give them one, take mass trans, ride a bike, walk, ride share..whatever you do dont buy gas, diesel, or what have you. thats the only way to get them.
                        MasterCard reports that on the Friday before the Memorial Day weekend gas sales by volume were down 7.5% compared with the 2007 equivalent day. That's pretty amazing.

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                        • #13
                          As another news piece, German main train company Deutsche Bahn has reported that they saw an increase of 20 million additional passengers in the first quarter year-over-year. Granted that only adds up to a growth of 2.3%, with long distance trains growing 3.7%, but if the majority of those people used to drive by car, and doing that on long distance, that's quite a sizeable difference already.

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                          • #14
                            Why not protest the high taxes you pay on your gas? Besides the Arabs YOUR government makes the most profit off your gas purchase with all the taxes they tack on. Sure, it looks good on TV when congress grills the oil company big wigs about oil prices but the major oil companies are making less per gallon then the governments who tax it are.
                            Signatures are overrated

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                            • #15
                              the major oil companies are making less per gallon then the governments who tax it are.
                              Something like 80% of UK fuel prices is tax.
                              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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