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  1. I'll pass that along.

    I'll pass that along.
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    "We" are never going to get anywhere period, but...

    "We" are never going to get anywhere period, but that's beside the point. I agree with you re the first minute. If Bonin did absolutely nothing in that first minute, the rest would not have...
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    And you're willing to offer the same in return,...

    And you're willing to offer the same in return, right?
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    Oh, I don't think I'm ready for El Cid just yet. ...

    Oh, I don't think I'm ready for El Cid just yet. Cervantes wrote in such a plain, beautiful language that even archaic words aren't much of an obstacle, it's just that my Spanish in general is still...
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    Not exactly.

    Not exactly.
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    I respectfully request leave to present a little...

    I respectfully request leave to present a little literary distraction. Don Quixote is by far my all-time favorite book, in fact I'm so fond of it that I am currently reading it in a fourth language,...
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    Well...then I suppose the logical continuation of...

    Well...then I suppose the logical continuation of that would be that shouldn't EVERYTHING be a memory item? After all, this problem only crashed one airplane, so why is it so special? Why shouldn't...
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    One of those airplanes is now for sale with only...

    One of those airplanes is now for sale with only 16,000TT, probably the lowest-time 744 airframe out there.
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    It seems to me that the main reason why the...

    It seems to me that the main reason why the question Evan keeps asking cannot be resolved at the aviation procedure level is that it's not actually an aviation question, it's a question of...
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    Indeed.

    Indeed.
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    A320 family does that. At least the ones we have...

    A320 family does that. At least the ones we have do.
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    Holy hydraulics, Batman, did he really just say...

    Holy hydraulics, Batman, did he really just say that?!
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    It doesn't require "perfect" anything, it...

    It doesn't require "perfect" anything, it requires only not doing anything stupid. I think THAT is where we actually disagree. And again, your reliance on "trained procedures and memory items" is a...
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    I do see your point perfectly, I just don't agree...

    I do see your point perfectly, I just don't agree with it. Evidently he did NOT know how to fly, or at any rate wasn't very good at it. The fact that he had not killed himself previously is not in...
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    That's just it, that's not improvisation (which...

    That's just it, that's not improvisation (which is what you're missing), that's just being a pilot, I'm sorry you don't like it. As for your question, I don't know. I do know that if someone...
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    Indeed. I discussed this with you also (and, of...

    Indeed. I discussed this with you also (and, of course, you disagreed). They were both doing what only the PM should have been doing. Remember when I discussed with you the psychological...
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    Sounds like a drug for ALL potential diseases...

    Sounds like a drug for ALL potential diseases...
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    Actually, I don't think there is a failure to...

    Actually, I don't think there is a failure to listen here, more like an unwillingness to listen, which is a clean different thing. Failure implies there was at least an attempt, however...
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    I used that word long before I ever heard of 3WE,...

    I used that word long before I ever heard of 3WE, so your request to discontinue its use is hereby denied.
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    That's not an entirely accurate statement, is it?...

    That's not an entirely accurate statement, is it? Your disdain for the industry in general and for pilots as a professional group in particular is by now too well-established for the above feeble...
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    The entire report is an opinion, albeit is a very...

    The entire report is an opinion, albeit is a very well-informed one. There is nothing wrong with that, and, at all events, that wasn't really my point. It just strikes me as a odd that when a...
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    So, basically, it's an opinion piece?

    So, basically, it's an opinion piece?
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    Who is Barbara Faccini?

    Who is Barbara Faccini?
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    Come again?

    Come again?
  25. Paging chartvark567zjj to the forum!

    Paging chartvark567zjj to the forum!
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    If a pilot doesn't know his airplane's typical...

    If a pilot doesn't know his airplane's typical "broad cruise pitch/power settings", no amount of memory items will save him, trust me. That guy/gal shouldn't be flying anything. I do remember...
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    I think you're reaching.

    I think you're reaching.
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    In this case it's coming from Airbus. If you...

    In this case it's coming from Airbus. If you disagree, that's certainly your business. "Safety of flight is impacted" in this case means "are you fixin' to hit something?". If the answer is no,...
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    Affirmative. Even if we're in a gentle descent,...

    Affirmative. Even if we're in a gentle descent, that's still FDnH.
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    I don't know (I'm thinking it should), but if...

    I don't know (I'm thinking it should), but if not, you match and mash and put the nose back where it was. It's not hard, really.
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    Negative.

    Negative.
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    Affirmative.

    Affirmative.
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    A post? Hell, I'm going to print it out, frame...

    A post? Hell, I'm going to print it out, frame it, and hang it on my glory wall.
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    Because that's the bottom line only in your mind....

    Because that's the bottom line only in your mind. The memory item was not applicable in this case. You disagree, and that's fine, that's your business. The document Gabriel linked is actually from...
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    It was me, and it wasn't "if needed to stabilize...

    It was me, and it wasn't "if needed to stabilize flight", it's a rather more forceful "if safety of flight is impacted". The purpose of this memory item is to get you away from the ground, so you...
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    Sure, it was. At least FDnH enough not to mess...

    Sure, it was. At least FDnH enough not to mess with. Even if you got a good amount of bumpage happening, that's still plenty FDnH not to go pitching and pulling and Krishna only knows what else. ...
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    Heeeeeey! I fed a homeless kitten six years ago,...

    Heeeeeey! I fed a homeless kitten six years ago, so hostile my butt!
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    Do you recall me stating (on more than one forum,...

    Do you recall me stating (on more than one forum, in fact) that the memory items didn't apply in this case? In fact, I might have even explained (in some detail, too) what the purpose of the memory...
  39. They're sparring about who can do this...

    They're sparring about who can do this aviationing blabber gooder.
  40. Because it's their job?

    Because it's their job?
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