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  1. It's all agronomical to me, but I have also...

    It's all agronomical to me, but I have also noticed that stuff that on the outside, looked stupid and wrong, becomes very logical and correct when on the inside.

    And often we [no italics for...
  2. Did we leave?

    Did we leave?
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    ...pilots who think that one should know...

    ...pilots who think that one should know procedures well, AND NOT forget fundamental aerodynamics either...that maybe relentless pull ups are bad, airspeed should be watched on short final (with a...
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    There, I quoted you verbatim. (There's probably...

    There, I quoted you verbatim. (There's probably another couple of key one liners I should snip out and add)

    That's essentially my whole point.



    Bingo. My point, Gabieee verbatim. I WILL...
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    Ok, Mr. Hair splitter. Correct, I am not quoting...

    Ok, Mr. Hair splitter. Correct, I am not quoting you verbatim. (Friendly razz, no anger)

    You said that six? crews were using much bigger control inputs when on alternate law- in particular in...
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    That's cute. Keep in mind they were hit by...

    That's cute.

    Keep in mind they were hit by lightning and had some sensitive electronic crap knocked out AND Gabriel is telling us that the handling was adversely affected...

    And, I guess...
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    The quick, flippant, and poorly-supported answer...

    The quick, flippant, and poorly-supported answer is "not made it worse". As to exactly how they should have done that, I don't know.

    I suspect Bobby, ALT or VNAV5 could have salvaged the landing....
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    "ONLY" Wrong. And not just because of the...

    "ONLY"

    Wrong.

    And not just because of the "absolute" rule.

    Let's go rent a 172. I'm out of practice, but have a damn good idea I can fly a stable approach and bounce the $hit out of the...
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    The lack of the bold font is again evidence of...

    The lack of the bold font is again evidence of your strong, black and white bias to predominately blame the pilots.

    Maybe you are "just quoting" someone else, but the omitted bold stuff is a big,...
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    1. Thank you. 2. a. Thank you. 2. b. Such is...

    1. Thank you.

    2. a. Thank you.
    2. b. Such is the stuff bounces are made of.
    2. c. And the spoilers didn't auto activate to suppress the desire of the (d.) really fast, (e.) lightly-flapped plane...
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    I'm not sure how many times you admonish them for...

    I'm not sure how many times you admonish them for continuing to land a crippled airplane in spite of wind shear warnings (which in normal operations are followed mostly for an abundance of caution-...
  12. A reaction to pesky nosiness and incessant...

    A reaction to pesky nosiness and incessant questioning of situations for which professionals have a really good handle on.
  13. Just having some fun, Mom. Sometimes, the tone...

    Just having some fun, Mom.

    Sometimes, the tone is a bit heavy that pilots really need to be listening to what we're saying here. Bobby's razz is a little bit valid.
  14. You are a pilot. You are supposed to monitor...

    You are a pilot. You are supposed to monitor lots of stuff and follow procedures. Temperatures, TOPMS, MCAS, AND if the lavatory fault light is on caution...

    If you need any advice, rest...
  15. Dude, can you not see nor enjoy the subtle...

    Dude, can you not see nor enjoy the subtle ironing that while you and Evan call for greatly increased temperature monitoring at numerous places within the engine, with new procedures and rewrites, in...
  16. Who gives a phugoid about fire inside of tail...

    Who gives a phugoid about fire inside of tail pipes and combustion chambers and EGTs and TIT's...they are designed to handle hot gasses.

    I'm more worried about composite upper curved surface paint...
  17. Whenever I could watch the start up, the...

    Whenever I could watch the start up, the temperature marched a good bit past a red line (20 to 30%) and then when the engine really kicked in, it rapidly dropped to maybe 80% of the red line.

    The...
  18. What is a hot start and have you ever ridden a...

    What is a hot start and have you ever ridden a Jetstream-31?
  19. Amazing, given how we used to make such a big...

    Amazing, given how we used to make such a big deal about them in the more humourous days.
  20. Wrong. There might be fundamental airmanship...

    Wrong.

    There might be fundamental airmanship involved in that picture.

    HERE is Evan reading procedure and engineering manuals to try and figure out what pilots do wrong:

    25501
  21. Gabriel...your sense of humor...the ISO 9000 is...

    Gabriel...your sense of humor...the ISO 9000 is shining.
  22. As I think about my incredibly limited chopper...

    As I think about my incredibly limited chopper riding experience- they don't have much of an instrument panel.

    Also, helicopters should not be blasting into clouds at 100+ knots- they have a good...
  23. TIT EGT OAT CHT OT CT TT BT DT FT STP CT BT GT ST...

    TIT EGT OAT CHT OT CT TT BT DT FT STP CT BT GT ST

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WemnsB98o
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    As Elaw said, there is no dedication to human...

    As Elaw said, there is no dedication to human decency as lots of stranded Delta passengers are fairly regularly left stranded with Delta sending no rescue planes...

    The trouble is that humans have...
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    I'll give some credence to a genuine extra...

    I'll give some credence to a genuine extra airplane sitting around.

    We have to get beyond actual black and white thinking. There ARE extra airplanes and capacity in the system- just not a whole...
  26. Could those jets have been designed with some...

    Could those jets have been designed with some thought given to not be overly complex (and yes using some computer monitoring).
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    I got one... Nine to go.

    I got one...

    Nine to go.
  28. How are we going to admonish the pilots unless we...

    How are we going to admonish the pilots unless we can find that they did something wrong?

    AND am I to understand that you make popcorn in a pan, instead of an electrical corn popper with some...
  29. Not sure I totally agree, but will only bet a...

    Not sure I totally agree, but will only bet a single beer, recognizing the risk that I might be the one buying.
  30. Answer: Thank you. (Additional verbiage...

    Answer:



    Thank you. (Additional verbiage is OK too)

    Not_Answer:
  31. See Red Font

    See Red Font
  32. But it's so loud and noisy and smoky...and I...

    But it's so loud and noisy and smoky...and I can't see where you can watch the game on TV.
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    Flight Attendant Incarceration

    I find this one both fun and creepy.

    A sad reflection on corporate America where metrics is everything and honesty and common sense be dammed.

    Probably some truth- After seeing that "the...
  34. Again, the vast majority of your talk is about...

    Again, the vast majority of your talk is about the past and the present, NOT THE FUTURE.

    You again focus on computing being the simplifier.

    I just don't see you engaging to any great degree in...
  35. Nonsense: Your opinion. Cameras are not in...

    Nonsense: Your opinion.

    Cameras are not in the cockpit: Fact.
  36. If I were a pilot, I would strongly oppose...

    If I were a pilot, I would strongly oppose cameras. (Maybe ATL or Bobby can list some key bullet points why this is a bad idea).

    If I were an investigator, I would find it useful in some...
  37. I'm not 100% sure what you are saying (sorry, too...

    I'm not 100% sure what you are saying (sorry, too much stuff)...but maybe you are strongly focused on how computer systems will simplify things and be simplified (at the interface level) themselves....
  38. That too was not really my point...(but at least...

    That too was not really my point...(but at least it's related- and yes I saw it).

    But I see you making more posts and verbiage-some incorrect- regarding the off-topic autothrottles). You will...
  39. Comprehension pills anyone? ...

    Comprehension pills anyone? https://consumershealth.org/brain-supplements-guide/?msclkid=6254e18480841a9cd294bd77a70a702f

    This is NOT ABOUT AUTOTHROTTLES. Get that out of your engineer fixated...
  40. I'm not as smart as Evan, but a favorite story...

    I'm not as smart as Evan, but a favorite story from internet aviation fora came from our own ATL Crew.

    After many years in the Regional world, he landed a job with big iron (ok, big 'FBW'...
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