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  1. Clever. And no acronyms. ABLS?

    Clever.

    And no acronyms. ABLS?
  2. No I don't. If a frog had wings, it should...

    No I don't.

    If a frog had wings, it should refrain from pulling up relentlessly as it could stall?

    OR

    If a frog had wings, there should be clear procedures on how to handle warnings as "keep...
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    Yes. Concur. We'll see.

    Yes.

    Concur.

    We'll see.
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    What is this rudder of which you speak? My head...

    What is this rudder of which you speak? My head may be exploding. Possibly Evan's too.
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    You just read where I quoted them. I also...

    You just read where I quoted them.

    I also supplied a video of a rear end collision while parked on a taxiway, per your request.
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    1. Of course we are missing your point, we always...

    1. Of course we are missing your point, we always do.

    2. But, you elicit a range of reactions here.

    Gabe:
    -Oh, hell no, you BETTER have a human as a backup for when the automation breaks...it...
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    Understood & valid BUT some interesting talk that...

    Understood & valid BUT some interesting talk that things are shifting regardless of what we think. Near-total automated flight, with training growing in importance with actual flying being...
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    Is there a policy of ABSOLUTELY no standing or...

    Is there a policy of ABSOLUTELY no standing or going to the lav while "on an active taxiway"?

    If there is, I have seen a whole crew violate it by telling us on the PA that we were free to get up...
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    I tend to agree. You will find that stated...

    I tend to agree. You will find that stated above.



    You will find that immediately below.

    https://youtu.be/qeC1OwrBsS8
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    Ummm, I thought the new world was 100% automated...

    Ummm, I thought the new world was 100% automated EXCEPT for emergencies- so unless the plane is on fire with a broken autopilot, you won’t be victimized by someone with good airpersonship who...
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    Ya know, why not just an extremely average...

    Ya know, why not just an extremely average fidelity sim session, but lots of hours...hand flying, hand this, hand that, emergencies, more emergencies, but then plane jane stuff...Hand flying in...
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    We agree that airlines need to do a little better...

    We agree that airlines need to do a little better job on 20 (+/-) minute PARKING delays. I do give them a little sympathy for ATC dangling carrots PAIRED WITH the fear of a plane load of pandemonium...
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    If you can supply data that any passengers were...

    If you can supply data that any passengers were in route to the lavatory when that collision happened, we can talk.

    Since they were at the end of the alley, pointed in I assume everyone was...
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    As you continue to admonish the evil profit...

    As you continue to admonish the evil profit driven industry for their utterly stupid policies, let me convey a story from jut a few days ago, Monday, September 30, 2019. BWI to flyover in a...
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    Is there some saying about absolute statements? ...

    Is there some saying about absolute statements?

    Might I also suggest that several times a day, someone gets histrionic or litigious to a airline employees over any number of things...Customer...
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    Make up your mind which you want to talk about...

    Make up your mind which you want to talk about with dramatic and not-so-accurate courtroom theatrics.

    CAT is probably more dangerous than being parked, not too much debate although there's a...
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    Believe it or not, the first step is to simply...

    Believe it or not, the first step is to simply "look at" the data. I am worried about the sample size for passengers standing during taxi, and am not sure how to handle "length of taxi" and "length...
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    And the corollary question is how many FAs has...

    And the corollary question is how many FAs has ‘ATL’ injured from surprise CAT?

    Give me totals for FAs, Pax, and the hours of total time exposure on everything, figures on belted, unbelted seated,...
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    Your ability to 'envision a likely scenario' is...

    Your ability to 'envision a likely scenario' is very weak. At least one of my instances (and one of Gabieee's) was during a period of slow-speed taxi while literally turning towards and pulling...
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    Yes, not a perfect explanation and you can always...

    Yes, not a perfect explanation and you can always find a LOT more words to clarify it.

    How about- Unexpected, sudden, firm braking, harder than one generally wishes to do and something that might...
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    Maybe you can save us some time and read what I...

    Maybe you can save us some time and read what I wrote. From ATL's comments, I think I may actually be somewhat in the ball park that excrement does sometimes transpire.

    And remember, all the...
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    I'm repeating- I've taken a hell of a lot fewer...

    I'm repeating- I've taken a hell of a lot fewer flights, predominately US, and have experienced roughly three. Cowboy idiocy rampies? That's my guess- although maybe one was adjacent to the runway...
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    Another indication that you may not participate...

    Another indication that you may not participate in the real world nor ride airplanes to any meaningful degree.

    About 5 minutes watching guys drive luggage carts will provide valuable insight.
    ...
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    Your tendencies for invalid arguments are...

    Your tendencies for invalid arguments are interesting. The argument isn't CAT vs. Taxi- its Belted vs. Non Belted.

    When surprise brake slams (that you have never seen) happen, Most everyone is...
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    Start with a 1 hour boarding...(gate hold) ...

    Start with a 1 hour boarding...(gate hold)

    THEN taxi to an 'active taxiway' where you are delayed an hour with ground holds doled out in 15 min increments by ATC.

    Then you take off into...
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    I was talking about PARKING on an “active...

    I was talking about PARKING on an “active taxiway”

    I get your argument about speed differences at cruise vs taxi, BUT it’s not an apples to apples and is invalid.

    I have experienced a few...
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    In the comments section of the article, someone...

    In the comments section of the article, someone made a point that they may yell and all but its not good to get physical in flight so an FA probably won't stop you...(except for the really frazzled...
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    Today's winner: ...

    Today's winner:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-claims-she-was-forced-to-sit-in-her-urine-on-air-canada-flight-190702522.html

    Better yet, it may involve the Uber dangerous maneuver of parking...
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    I hate you. :D

    I hate you. :D
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    Extremely speculative- but reminds me of cases...

    Extremely speculative- but reminds me of cases where planes are fueled with jet fuel. There's enough gas in the lines to get you airborne, and then the power goes to crap before you can return.
  31. What evidence is there that they were not in a...

    What evidence is there that they were not in a state of high situational awareness in a stabilized approach to a totally normal landing?
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    Of my handful of trips, things were pretty much...

    Of my handful of trips, things were pretty much on time.

    As to the video, it seems that too often the airline employees really have very poor support regarding broken planes, available crews and...
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    https://www.facebook.com/Guff/videos/6333117071875...

    https://www.facebook.com/Guff/videos/633311707187538?sfns=mo

    Just another day of cheap and fast travel. Yes, Amtrak has THEIR bad days too.
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    Sad news. I am beginning to think that maybe...

    Sad news.

    I am beginning to think that maybe it's time we park these things...(Please flame me for that comment).
  35. Very lengthy article on the ‘MAX situation. ...

    Very lengthy article on the ‘MAX situation.

    Indeed, let us legislate morals and eliminate Wall Street.

    Fortunately, governments do much better at being a "large organization" that is moral,...
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    I just kinda doubt that’s the whole story. ...

    I just kinda doubt that’s the whole story.

    Body cams for all.

    Film or it didn’t happen.

    Question: how is the legal community responding to “photographic” evidence since editing is such a...
  37. What’s interesting is that is kind of what we...

    What’s interesting is that is kind of what we have- autopilot on at 400 feet, and then off at 400 feet with lots of FMS adjustments and acronym utterance the rest of the time.

    Captain ATL razzed...
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    Operations might object (bad for the KPIs), but I...

    Operations might object (bad for the KPIs), but I think the PR department agrees- TRAPPING the passenger for HOURS when a repair station is ON THE WAY...

    We (and other fora) would be admonishing...
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    Been fun to watch this- should have made some...

    Been fun to watch this- should have made some popcorn.

    I think TeeVee has an interesting point...it smells a little bit funny off to kick someone off for safety and then let them go on the next...
  40. Noted (in a literal sense).

    Noted (in a literal sense).
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