Originally posted by wwshack
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Its and ill wind that blows.....
There is nothing more to be said on this subject, it's a done deal.
Now and I mean this most sincerely: Thanks for giving me the kick up the backside that I needed. I have been meaning to get my new web site up and running for ages and this has given me new impetus. I'll let you know when it is up and running.
By the way, I looked up that quote and it is more pertinent than I thought, the full quote is "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." Malaclypse the Younger.
We are all friends here and friends may differ in opinions but still remain friends and now to get down to the business of breaking the 1,000 mark, just 18 to go and that's 18 full colour and more or less un-manipulated photosWallace
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Well I am one of the few that are still in favour of accepting B&W images. Only if shot with a camera set in B&W mode or scanned from a B&W image/slide.
I still think there is a place for this kind of image in this day and age, indeed if you go to collage the first thing you learn is how to shoot B&W. If done properly the finished image can be just as good if not better than a colour image. Learning how to shoot and process B&W gives you a great understanding of how to correctly adjust levels and contrast, that can then be carried over to colour work.
However I have seen very few images submitted in B&W and most of them have been poorly processed.
Of course I do have a vested interest in B&W as I work for the largest B&W film and paper producing company left in the world, Ilfordphoto (Ex Ilford Imaging) but this does give me a lot of experience with this type of image.
Jid
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Originally posted by wwshack
I'll run the HP5 off the AE-1 and buy myself some FP4 or PanF to lower the chances of a grain rejection........
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Well I am one of the few that are still in favour of accepting B&W images. Only if shot with a camera set in B&W mode or scanned from a B&W image/slide.
Going along with Jid on this one. Although chances are slim to see them circulating freely to scanner, for instance lots of Connies and Sixes shot until the mid 60s often come out in B&W prints at times when Kodackcolors were avialable somewhat at a premium and Kodachromes were still scarce. I know somebody who has been picturing since decades and who off course wished he had tons of money to start with color films and slides.
Alain
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I myself am a fan of b&w shots, but, as said before, only on certain photographs. We have the Highland Lakes division of the CAF out here at BMQ and that means quite a bit of old-timers come out here time and again. I usually shoot in color, but depending on the picture, I might change it over to b&w.
I must say I very much so agree with what has already been posted about having newer generation planes being uploaded as b&w. I'm not a big fan of that partially because if they are uploaded in b&w, then the rest of the world is missing out on the various colors of the multiple airlines around the world.
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Originally posted by uy707Well I am one of the few that are still in favour of accepting B&W images. Only if shot with a camera set in B&W mode or scanned from a B&W image/slide.
Going along with Kid on this one. Although chances are slim to see them circulating freely to scanner, for instance lots of Connies and Sixes shot until the mid 60s often come out in B&W prints at times when Kodackcolors were available somewhat at a premium and Kodachromes were still scarce. I know somebody who has been picturing since decades and who off course wished he had tons of money to start with color films and slides.
Alain
So uploading a B&W Connie from 1965 (for example) should be no problem. Only an standard airliner taken in 2006/2007 and converted to B&W would be considered as a manipulation.
The drawback to the idea of accepting it if the camera has a B&W mode is, that it is impossible to enforce. First of all we would have to demand the exif, secondly we would have to keep track of cameras that can do this and those that can´t, thirdly Exifs can always be changed.
And I personally would find it unfair letting the hardware used decide if a shot is accepted or not, I think that is one of the things we all want to avoid for jp.net.
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If it's a vintage aircraft submitted in B&W (For example a Li-2) taken in 2006 does the background of the shot have to be clear of modern subjects (like for example a tail of a modern airliners some 100 meters behind )?
Or do you just judge the main subject?
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Peter, if you mean a shot just as the one you posted in Anet (tail of a "modern" airliner far in the background, main subject a genuine vintage aircraft), then I don't see a problem.
Cheers
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Originally posted by LX-A343then I don't see a problem.
Cheers
Peter
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I like to give vintage planes an old feeling but without turning them into B&W. so I use layers to show the plane in color but the background in B&W.
So, I basically erase part of the color information to let the picture look good. I'm not adding anything which wasn't there.
What is the verdict about these kind of pictures?
Roel.Last edited by Diezel; 2009-04-14, 14:50.
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