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    Hi,

    I recently sent a photo of a British Airways Boeing 777 (G-VIIH) that I took at Denver. Personally, I really like this photo, but the screeners said that it had an improper motive and needed improvement. It was rejected for the following reasons: [font=verdana][size=2] - Obstructing Objects / Foreground Clutter
    - Horizon unlevel

    Here's the photo link http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject_b.php?id=1569093 I would be greatful if someone could give some pointers on how to improve this photo.

    Thank you
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    IMHO You should try avoiding the window-frame in the middle of the photo, as well as the truck on the right side, which is blocking 1/4 of the aircraft.

    For leveling the shot, you can use any vertical line, such as the ATC tower at the background for example. Good luck.
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    you definately need to avoid the window frame pictures. could also try to take pictures of A/C as they take off/land at airports from parking garages, fields, etc. www.Spotterswiki.com has a bunsh of helpful info for spotting locations. if you are in an airport, again avoid window frames in the picture, try to avoid any vehicles, and a pretty fool proof way to get a photo accepted take a pic of the cabin. now it still can get rejected for level, contrast, etc. but it is a lt easier to get accepted. the JP database will also give you a of great ideas. if you can't find a photo like it in the DB then it will most likely get rejected. Good luck mate!

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    Hi,

    Thank you for the help. So, if I have the catering truck in the photo is there any way to get it accepted. By the way, I have made some improvements to the photo.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1574855

    Also, I have another photo of the aircraft is this one any better.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1574858

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    Hi,

    Thank you for the pointers. I understand that the window frame in the middle ruins the picture, but this photo of a United Boeing 777 on JP.net is kind of similiar to mine and it has window frames in the middle. Is there anyway that with some improvements I could get this photo accepted even with the window frame in the picture.

    Here's the photo I am talking about that looks similar to mine:

    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6389&nseq=3

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    the UA one has window glare, the nose is cut off. i don't know how that got in. the second one of yours is somewhat blurry and the color is a bit off so i think it is a lost cause. don't feel bad though because i've been trying for 2 years now and have yet gotten one accepted. what kind of camera do you have? and do you have PS? if you can show us some of your other photos we might be able to give you the pros and cons of those and then you can learn from those.

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    Hi Rohan, I would suggest deleting your two photos from the queue as they will not be accepted unfortunately. The shot you linked has two things going for it.....1. The windows frame the subject and put the viewer in that gate lounge, 2. It was accepted five years ago and would not be accepted now!

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    Hi,

    Don't worry I will delete these photos from JP.net very soon. However, here's another shot of the plane is this one any better.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1576256

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    Also if the color weren't so off this photo: http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1574858
    could it had been accepted.

    Thank you for your help.

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    You would be better off hosting photos you are asking for help on, on a third party website instead of putting them in the queue and then asking advice.

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    Hi,

    I am sorry about that, but I didn't know of any third party picture posting sites, nor did I know how to use them. This is why I used JP.net

    Thank you

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    Hi,

    After a lot of trying I finally managed to get a third party hosting site to work. So here's the link of the third photo.


    http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs219&d=07363&...77_PICTURE.JPG

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    'Fraid it's a no go too, mate.
    See the big glare right across the windscreen and jetway?
    And it's backlit too.
    Keep trying, you'll get it.
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    Definatly a no go. The side of the fuesalage in the light is totaly blown out. Dont give up though, keep trying and listen to the advice and dont be afraid to ask for help and you will get there.
    What camera do you use? The best bit of advice ive ever herd is that the best way to improve is to take more photos.

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    Hi,

    Is this photo any better: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs219&d=07363&f=GVIIH_PICTURE.jpg

    Also, on the other photo is there any way to tint the photo so it doesn't look so backlight

    Thank you

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    Hi once again,

    This is the last photo I took that day.

    http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs219&d=07363&...H2_PICTURE.jpg

    Thanks to all for their helpful advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohank4284
    Hi,

    Is this photo any better: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs219&d=07363&f=GVIIH_PICTURE.jpg

    Also, on the other photo is there any way to tint the photo so it doesn't look so backlight

    Thank you
    Hey Rohank,

    Let me see if I can help you on your way with some pointers. Be advised that this is just my opinion, but I think you'll find that it'll take you a long way towards getting your pic accepted.

    Here are a list of things that I see wrong with your pictures (most of them have been mentioned before in this thread).

    1) Obstructed (or whatever it's called). As a general rule of thumb, you don't want ANYTHING in front of the aircraft, be it window frames, catering trucks lamp posts, cars and so on. There are of course execptions such as push back tractors and the like. Don't ask me for a hard and fast rule about which will get accepted, but have a look at these to get an idea.

    Accepted:
    [photoid=6031597]
    [photoid=6025433]

    They are accepted because the tow truck is "part of the story".

    Not accepted:

    http://www.pbase.com/rjuncker/image/82667535 The push back truck obstructing the view of the aircraft.

    It seems like most of your pictures are taken through a window from a terminal building. If you have time to roam around the airport, try to follow the traffic in the airport and hang out at empty gates and then capture the planes as they taxi in to the parking stand. That way you can get an unobstructed picture, before the jetty and ground service trucks surround and obscure the view of the aircraft. This leads me to the next point.

    2) If you are taking pictures through a window, it can be difficult to avoid reflections in the window. I don't know which kind of camera you're using. Whether it's a compact or an SLR, the best way to avoid this, is to put the lens right up against the window (so there's no air between the window and the lens). This takes care of that problem. I know full well that this is not always possible, but then keep the lens as close as possible to the window.

    3) Color cast (tint's) are pretty much impossible to avoid when taking pictures through a window (in my experience). One way around this, is in the editing stage. If you use photoshop CS or Elements, there's a fantastic feature. It's called "remove color cast". There's a full explanation about how to use the feature in PS.

    4) Back lighting. There's pretty much nothing you can do about this. A little backlighting can be corrected. if you take a picture at, say, 2PM when the sun is almost overhead, so even if the aircraft is backlit it is practically unnoticeable. But if you take a picture in the late afternoon (when the sun is low on the horizon), there's no way you can correct it (without it looking fake). The mentioned times of day vary according to where you in the world, of course. The only way you can use a truly backlit picture in the database, is if you intentionally try to create a silhouette. These pictures can look great, but can be hard to nail. Don't ask me about the rules for this, as I don't fully understand them. See examples below:

    Accepted:
    [photoid=5933042]

    Not accepted:
    http://www.pbase.com/rjuncker/image/73400544

    5) Next on the list is foreground clutter. This can also be difficult to avoid when taking pictures from terminals. But even though the objects don't obstruct view of the airplane, they are considered a nuiscance and will get the picture rejected. For instance, I was trying to convey a message of how chaotic and messy the apron is in Delhi, and therefore deliberately included a lot of things in the foreground, this picture was rejected due to foreground clutter. Looking back at it now, that is fair enough.

    http://www.pbase.com/rjuncker/image/72460134

    6) Horizon. Always make sure the horizon is level. Although this typically leads to a straight horizon line, the best way to ensure the picture is correctly oriented is, as mentioned before in this thread, to use a vertical line of a building for instance. Something that you know is actually vertical. Don't rely on lamp posts, as these are not always truly vertical. Check the levelling against the "grid", which can be found under "view" in elements.

    7) The last thing that comes to mind is to make sure that there are absolutely no dust spots on the picture. Dust spots are most noticeable on the sky. They can, however, be difficult to spot, if they are subtle. A good way to check for dustspots, is to equalize the picture (this can be found under filter in elements). If you find one you can either use the cloning tool or the spot healing tool.

    These were the things that initially came to mind after reading this thread. At first it may seem like there are a lot of rules and it can seem pretty daunting to remember all the things, but what I have experienced after joining JP is that, as frustrating as it is to have a picture rejected when you think you have nailed a good shot, it is a good way to improve your picture taking skills. I do a lot of other photography as well, but after I joined JP, I have really started thinking about composition and how to edit my pictures. On my own website I can upload whatever I want and therefore it is easy to get lazy. But, on JP there are no mercy.

    In the end all the guidelines on JP (rules if you will), are there to make it a pleasureable experience and to ensure that when you log on and see that there are 852 new pictures addded since your last visit, you're gonna get a top notch viewing experience. (Man... I should get a free elite membership for that paragraph )

    Sorry, this reply became a bit longer than intended, but I hope it has helped a little. Keep up the work. I'm sure you'll get there. I look forward to seeing your pictures on JP.net in the future.

    Cheers, R...
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    Possibly the first one if you crop out the upright in the edge of the photo.

    Second ones a no go.

    Realy you need to get outside of the buildings to get the best photo. If you let us know what airport these are taken at im sure someone would help you find somewhere.

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    Pictures of aircraft at the jetway taken from inside the terminal are notoriously difficult to get right enough to be acceptable. When you do get it right though they tend to be popular views on this site.

    There must be no obstructing objects, this doesn't mean that pushback trucks, catering trucks, people etc. can't be in the shot but they should not obstruct.
    This pic of mine of a BA A320 at Gatwick shows what I mean....

    [photoid=5991614]

    The baggage loading truck, ground power unit and ramp personnel are there but none of them obstruct the detail of the aircraft.
    Another example is this one with all the above present plus a catering truck...

    [photoid=5939201]

    Both of these are in the top six of my most viewed pictures.
    While taking pics from the departure lounges I find myself taking a wider view of what is there to be photographed and think about the composition of the shot. One good point with these type of shots is that the aircraft isn't going anywhere soon but the cluttering and obstructing objects may well be moving in the near future. I had to wait some 30 minutes for the BA A320 to be uncluttered by surrounding vehicles and people etc.

    It was a terrible wait because I had to sit in the bar and drink beer until the shot presented.
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    Hi,

    I loaded this photo onto JP.net yesterday and unfortuneately it got rejected. Is there anything I can do improve the photo and maybe get it accepted into the database.

    http://www.jetphotos.net//viewreject_b.php?id=1584255

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