9/11 question?

[Uncle Jay]

Benign Neglect

I dont believe there was a conspiracy within our government to cause this, but there was clearly a willful neglect of the warnings... because letting the attack happen furthered the Bush agenda in place since Carl Rove and company's 1986 reports on Iraq and attacking the Mid East to gain the oil.
it played right into their hands.

To think that our government does not conspire against the common good is true naivete. Maybe you naysayers believed the Warren Commision report also ? or beieved the Gulf of Tonkin Incident verbatim ?

On Sept 9, 2001, a State Department no-fly order was issued.

I would thing at the very least, the Air Force would have responded more timely. or do we aircraft peolpe believe that lack of a transponder signal meakes interception difficult ? I mean, really. They stood off, plain and simple.

Also, why was Bin ladens family escorted out of the country when nobody else was in the air on Sept 12 ?

Too many issues to believe this piecemeal.

[HalcyonDays]

i love how everyone just skipped over this fact. wow, way to go people. what does your 9/11 report say about this. so the FBI cant prove it, but we still try to say it was a fact that OSAMA was behind it, come on people, wake up. i don't have to prove anything to this government, but they do have to prove to us, and im sorry to say they have not.

I suppose I shouldn't prolong this, but we know that OBL was involved in the planning of the attacks since as far back as 1996. It wasn't his idea, but he gave his operatives full following wind. I believe az-Zawahiri, in some ways more influential, has more or less admitted it was an al-Qaeda operation in recent years. Moreover, the attacks were very much in the stated spirit of anti-American policy expressed by al-Qaeda in the years beforehand. This is pretty much all attested in various impartial accounts : for example, good open source material is available in the book called The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright, which I commend to you.

Did you see my comment yesterday about the alleged pre-9/11 financial shenanigans ?

[HalcyonDays]

On Sept 9, 2001, a State Department no-fly order was issued.

Could you say more about this ?

[Uncle Jay]

Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/id/75993

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This has been reported from many places

By the way - how about the sell offs of American Airlines and UA stocks on Sept 10 ? And the posting of John O'Neill to the WTC in September ?

Unfortunately, the more you read, the more questions arise.

[Longacre]

And the posting of John O'Neill to the WTC in September?

What does that mean? He retired and took a cushy well paying private sector job. If he knew what was happening, I suspect he wouldn't have died in the Towers that day.

[HalcyonDays]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/75993

Page 2

This has been reported from many places

By the way - how about the sell offs of American Airlines and UA stocks on Sept 10 ? And the posting of John O'Neill to the WTC in September ?

Yes, I know, but I wanted to see what you would come up with. The link (which is itself dated September 13, 2001, far too soon after the event for the claim to be credible) makes no reference to a no-fly list or to the date September 9, 2001. My honest belief is that no-one did any such thing immediately before 9/11. What I think this connects with is what we now know, ie. in the weeks and months before 9/11 "the system was blinking red", to use a famous statement by Tenet. No-one in the US Government was able to capitalize on the mistakes made by al-Qaeda or the many intelligence hints that something was in the wind.

As for the financial market operations, see my post above # 9. To add : I can assure you that this aspect was deeply investigated by the FBI, NSA and SEC, plus several foreign intelligence agencies and other financial investigators, and no credible evidence has been found to support this. For example, the stocks were not universally 'sold off' : many of the transcations were actually stock purchases in AMR and UAL.

[HalcyonDays]

If he knew what was happening, I suspect he wouldn't have died in the Towers that day.

He took that private sector job partly out of disillusionment with his FBI and governmental superiors, who did not believe the threat was urgent.

[Bok269]

i love how everyone just skipped over this fact. wow, way to go people. what does your 9/11 report say about this. so the FBI cant prove it, but we still try to say it was a fact that OSAMA was behind it, come on people, wake up. i don't have to prove anything to this government, but they do have to prove to us, and im sorry to say they have not.

Care to provide a more valid source?

[Highkeas]

He took that private sector job partly out of disillusionment with his FBI and governmental superiors, who did not believe the threat was urgent.

Some of the stories mentioned in this thread are probably just coincidences - for those who do not belive in coincidences you might want to look at this essay
http://www.davidmyers.org/Brix?pageID=91
It would be most unusual if coincidences rarely happened.

[TaCA]

no can do.

Care to provide a more valid source?

how can i do that when the main stream media has never and will never run a story like this. but you can find this info on some sites. here is one.
has so info never shown or talked about.
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/116592.shtml

and you have to look at this one. this is crazy. no 9/11 anywhere, you would think they would write that.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

[JordanD]

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

I suggest a viewing.


(Some disturbing footage when they talk about the fire temperatures though).

[TaCA]

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
I suggest a viewing.

thanks, i will.

[Bok269]

how can i do that when the main stream media has never and will never run a story like this. but you can find this info on some sites. here is one.
has so info never shown or talked about.
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/116592.shtml

and you have to look at this one. this is crazy. no 9/11 anywhere, you would think they would write that.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

I still don't see how a lack of hard evidence (although plenty does exist that may not be up to judicial standard) points to a conspiracy.

[TaCA]

I also believe in this evil uncorrborated vast conspiracy that four planes were hijacked. I believe that two of them hit the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan. I also think that one plane hit the Pentagon and another one crashed in a field in rural Pennsylvania. I don't know why I believe in these foolish things. I really must be a conspiracy nut...excuse me while I get my tin foil hat!

In the end, you're a liberty to believe whatever theory you choose. When you ask for "evidence" though, remember that your theory has just many more gaping holes as the "standard version". Two people can't keep a secret for more than a week. You want to tell me 1000s of people in airlines, the military, FAA, White House, security companies, etc knew this would happen and did nothing? That there isn't a single good Samaritan in that bunch? Your view of humanitym ust be very dim indeed.

I don't think that many people knew. But the few who do, are making billions from it and people like that don't give a crap if they kill over 1 million iraqi men, women, and childern or over 4,000 in the US armed forces.

[Bok269]

I don't think that many people knew. But the few who do, are making billions from it and people like that don't give a crap if they kill over 1 million iraqi men, women, and childern or over 4,000 in the US armed forces.

You can't make something like this happen without involving numerous branches of the military (such as the air force who didn't respond), atc, the airlines (who have to magically make two aircraft and flight crew vanish), some kind of group to kidnap the victims/blow up the WTC and the Pentagon, the media (who you claim refuse to publish anything pointing to a conspiracy), etc.

Seems like a pretty elaborate scheme to make "billions"?