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  • Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
    to a traveling fool like me, this is deathly terrifying. 12,000 combined hours on type and these two idiots flew a perfectly functioning aircraft into the water...
    Well, that's not something new. Since you have your avatar in American Airlines colors, let me tell you that this airline has crashed two perfectly functioning airplanes:

    The B-757 in Cali that they've flown into a mountain.
    The A300 that they boke up the fin in flight due to overcontrol out of New York.

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    • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
      Well, that's not something new. Since you have your avatar in American Airlines colors, let me tell you that this airline has crashed two perfectly functioning airplanes:

      The B-757 in Cali that they've flown into a mountain.
      The A300 that they boke up the fin in flight due to overcontrol out of New York.
      those did not escape me. and i take no solace from the fact that it's been quite some time since those two incidents.

      however, i have to say that the results of the investigation in the Cali accident were ridiculous. no approach radar and no fault was placed on the colombians? horseshit!

      also, honeywell and jeppesen were found to be 40% at fault.
      yeah ultimately the pilots screwed the pooch, but let's be serious, there is NO excuse for not rebuilding approach radar for three years. there's also no excuse for coding two different waypoints with the same code. how friggin stupid is that????????

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      • Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
        those did not escape me. and i take no solace from the fact that it's been quite some time since those two incidents.

        however, i have to say that the results of the investigation in the Cali accident were ridiculous. no approach radar and no fault was placed on the colombians? horseshit!

        also, honeywell and jeppesen were found to be 40% at fault.
        yeah ultimately the pilots screwed the pooch, but let's be serious, there is NO excuse for not rebuilding approach radar for three years. there's also no excuse for coding two different waypoints with the same code. how friggin stupid is that????????
        Well, there are hundreds of airports that serve commercial flights that lack approach radar. Ok, leave the approach part. They lack any radar.

        Regarding the two navaids named "R", well, that was a dirty trick.

        But the most important thing in the hindsight is that today this accident would not have happened because of two things:

        - The EGPWS would have warned about the danger several seconds in advance of what the GPWS did (the E is for "Enhanced" and it uses nav data and a terrain database to warns about terrain ahead, while the older not-E type only uses radar altitude and vertical speed data, but cannot see a wall ahead).
        - The requirement (not in effect then) that the spoilers self-retract when thrust is added.

        This accident was a strong factor in the developement of these two systems and to make them required equipment. So it's sort of comfortable to know that at least so much death was not in vain.

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        • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
          I'd say that NO stall accident starts with the stall.
          I know . That is why I corrected you.

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          • - Lack of training or briefing of the crew...
            - The crew did not properly apply procedures...


            Cockpit hours mean nothing here. Just bad culture, more well practiced.

            Airbus designed their FCU knobs to feel distinctly different in the dark. But that can't overcome this kind of thing.

            Yet another case of improvisational airmanship...

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            • Originally posted by Evan View Post
              - Lack of training or briefing of the crew...
              - The crew did not properly apply procedures...


              Cockpit hours mean nothing here. Just bad culture, more well practiced.

              Airbus designed their FCU knobs to feel distinctly different in the dark. But that can't overcome this kind of thing.

              Yet another case of improvisational airmanship...
              I am sure this kind of mistakes is done from time to time in any type.
              Just that pilots normally FLY the plane (even if in AP) and they find the mistake before it's too late by doing "crazy" things like looking at the Primary Flight Display.

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