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    Default Introducing the 'sky-couch' from Air New Zealand

    Bosses from the airline say 25 percent of the economy seats in their new Boeing 777-300ER jets i will be able to convert into beds. The Skycouch is formed by opening out the leg rests of a row of three seats along the window sides of the aircraft - giving a 1.75-metre bed.

    http://newslite.tv/2010/01/28/airlin...ring-econ.html

    Firstly, the pictures (at the article's site) very well show how the seating converts and how comfortable it looks. Simply, great idea - although, I assume that this will be offered in Premium Economy and not in regular economy class. Either way, very well done on Air New Zealand's part. I can't wait to see the 773ERs!!!
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    Just the fact that you can get rid of the armrest completely is a pleasure, if you are flying with a person you know.

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    worthless unless you're planning on having a menage a trois. how do they figure on fitting 3 people on that couch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    worthless unless you're planning on having a menage a trois. how do they figure on fitting 3 people on that couch?
    It's 2 people not 3.

    Passengers will pay the standard economy fare for two seats and receive the middle seat for about half price.

    Presuming it is a couple that buys the seat, the total amounts to about NZ$7,600 ($5,400, £3,335) for a return flight to London.

    Single passengers in business class lie-flat seats pay nearly $7,140 for the London flight, and a single premium economy seat that does not recline to a bed costs nearly $4,300.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8480034.stm

    I'm just not completely sure how comfortable this is considering the apparent width of the "bed".
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    Great idea! But I'm wondering how do you keep at least a loosly fastened seatbelt around you so you don't end up as ceiling decoration in turbulence if you end up sleeping at the foot end of the 'bed'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYDCBRWOD View Post
    Great idea! But I'm wondering how do you keep at least a loosly fastened seatbelt around you so you don't end up as ceiling decoration in turbulence if you end up sleeping at the foot end of the 'bed'?
    Syd, there you go again asking real questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    .... unless you're planning on having a menage a trois.
    Will there be a fee for that? just askin...

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    i heard it's free if you supply your own prophylactics...

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    And your own air pump to inflate her...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    Syd, there you go again asking real questions...
    OK, let me spoil my record by passing the following comment:

    "They say group sex is OK if you can menage it" BOOM BOOM! (probably not a good idea to say the boom boom thing on an aviation forum these days - maybe substitute "bom tish!")

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCM View Post
    And your own air pump to inflate her...
    well, I know what i'll be carrying on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYDCBRWOD View Post
    (probably not a good idea to say the boom boom thing on an aviation forum these days - maybe substitute "bom tish!")
    Oh yes - bom! That's much better!!
    Yet another AD.com convert!

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    Ah, yes...

    Masters & Johnston. The econo-class, reverse-spoon position, I believe. Very nice. Wonder if the modified foot rest extensions work if the he is hanging "out there" and she is "seat side".

    Also, how many airlines have a row #69, I wonder? Guess there would be arm rests at both ends anyway, eh?

    Still, a great idea. I applaud the effort. The "mile high" club is going to see a definite boom in membership, for sure.

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    Bring your own clean plastic sheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadstick View Post
    Bring your own clean plastic sheets.
    damn, this is getting to be more trouble than its worth

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    Have you ever been in a situation where there are spare seats on the aircraft, i.e. three abreast unoccupied ? And have you ever taken the opportunity to lie across those three seats ? And have you ever noticed how uncomfortable it is to lie across three seat bases that are curved to accept the average human bum ?

    I have....and if I have to pay the equivalent of 2.5 times the economy fare then I'll go to a travel agency that can get me a reasonably priced business class lie flat bed with all the attendant business class benefits such as lounges, better service and food/drink etc.

    It would also be interesting to know what ANZ's average loading figures are ? If they're selling on average 2 out of 3 seats in the cabin where this facility is being offered then this is a cynical way of getting another 50% of the remaining seat sold. If you look at the picture it's a bit tight on space, the girl is having to lie on her side...and what happens when the passenger in front reclines their seat ?

    I'm fully aware that this deal is for two people...but look at them, they're skinny as a rake. Put two, more average sized people in those seats and it's not going to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw999 View Post
    Have you ever been in a situation where there are spare seats on the aircraft, i.e. three abreast unoccupied ? And have you ever taken the opportunity to lie across those three seats ? And have you ever noticed how uncomfortable it is to lie across three seat bases that are curved to accept the average human bum ?

    I have....and if I have to pay the equivalent of 2.5 times the economy fare then I'll go to a travel agency that can get me a reasonably priced business class lie flat bed with all the attendant business class benefits such as lounges, better service and food/drink etc.

    It would also be interesting to know what ANZ's average loading figures are ? If they're selling on average 2 out of 3 seats in the cabin where this facility is being offered then this is a cynical way of getting another 50% of the remaining seat sold. If you look at the picture it's a bit tight on space, the girl is having to lie on her side...and what happens when the passenger in front reclines their seat ?

    Incidentally I have a neighbor who flies LAS to LHR on Virgin - he buys three seats so he can sleep. (I keep meaning to ask him if he is allowed three meals and three carry-ons).
    I'm fully aware that this deal is for two people...but look at them, they're skinny as a rake. Put two, more average sized people in those seats and it's not going to work.
    I fly ANZ whenever I can from LAX to LHR or to Auckland and flights always seem to be full. Never-the-less my wife and I would love these new seats (at least for eastbound flights to London).

    Neither of us have any trouble sleeping across three regular economy class seats if we get the opportunity.

    Of course we are both "skinny" - sometime the check-in staff look at us and waive us on with excess weight carry-ons.

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    "Skinny" has little to do with transverse lines of pressure against ribs or hips. It can be done, but nobody with a straight face can say it is comfortable. And if you don't put the seatbelt on the outside of blankets, be prepared to be waked up by FA periodically.

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    To depart from topic but not from ANZ seats:
    My last ANZ flight from LHR to LAX (which was full) was really uncomfortable - the seat cushions were dead flat - I ended up sitting on a couple of folded blankets and my pillow. I wrote to NZ about it and they responded that they change seat cushions every five years.
    I've expeienced dead flat cushions on US demestic flights - I'm thinking about buying an ensolite custion for use on future flights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highkeas View Post
    To depart from topic but not from ANZ seats:
    My last ANZ flight from LHR to LAX (which was full) was really uncomfortable - the seat cushions were dead flat - I ended up sitting on a couple of folded blankets and my pillow. I wrote to NZ about it and they responded that they change seat cushions every five years.
    I've expeienced dead flat cushions on US demestic flights - I'm thinking about buying an ensolite custion for use on future flights.
    Just as a matter of questions; when was the flight/experience? The reason I ask, ANZ is introducting (or, recently has introduced) new seats on some of the aircraft (with the arrival of the 773, or perhaps other types - I am not sure) and I know that they are in the process of upgrading. Were the seats new (as in the newer style of seats that are thin and lightweight)? Or, were they the older, bulky ones?
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