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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostAs far as I know, Cambodia's air defenses and air force are almost non-existent. Vietnam on the other should have a fairly sophisticated air defense and they would most likely scramble a Su-27s to see what's coming at them.
Regarding Vietnam, they recently bought at least two SA-20 (S300 PMU1) which are perfectly capable (depending on type) of hitting targets at distances from 75 km upwards. As you say, they also have russian fighters.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThey were one-way tickets. These were not tourists.
One way tickets, purchased together with two stolen passports. This sounds organized and sinister to me.
These two guys could be simply two "friends" doing something illegal that is irrelevant for this disaster (illegal immigration, escaping prosecution, smuggling...). Then again, maybe not...
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Originally posted by retox View PostChina and Malaysia yes, I've been. "Backwards", no. Corrupt, yes. Extremely corrupt. Malaysia is typically considered worst in the world for busniess corruption and Vietnam follows right along. China and Indonesia are right there with them. Graft, fraud, bribery, and corruption are rampant. Hell, they make doing business in Rome look good.
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Changing angles again, sorry for not staying on the same subject!
We have read that there were no signs of equipment malfunction transmitted over ACARS (as opposed to the AF accident where I seem to remember that there were more than 50 individual errors flagged). Now, ACARS probably sent other messages during the 40 minutes flight. At least I have not seen any reference to the ACARS, whatsoever.
Can anyone say whether the ACARS transmitting device may be MELd?
That would be a valid reason for not receiving any messages..
(In fact it would be extremely interesting to see the ME list, for this flight, just to tick a few boxes.)
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostWell, apparently we have hundreds or thousands of people flying on fake/stolen passports everyday and not downing airplanes.
These two guys could be simply two "friends" doing something illegal that is irrelevant for this disaster (illegal immigration, escaping prosecution, smuggling...). Then again, maybe not...A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....
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Originally posted by retox View PostChina and Malaysia yes, I've been. "Backwards", no. Corrupt, yes. Extremely corrupt. Malaysia is typically considered worst in the world for busniess corruption and Vietnam follows right along. China and Indonesia are right there with them. Graft, fraud, bribery, and corruption are rampant. Hell, they make doing business in Rome look good.A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....
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Originally posted by Passion for flying View PostCan anyone say whether the ACARS transmitting device may be MELd?
That would be a valid reason for not receiving any messages..
(In fact it would be extremely interesting to see the ME list, for this flight, just to tick a few boxes.)
As I understand it, flightaware uses ACARS transmissions to track planes, does flightradar24 do likewise? Just pondering the discrepancy whereby flightaware's tracking appears to stop whilst still above land, yet flightradar24 continues out into the sea for a good 10 minutes further. My assumption is that both do use ACARS but are reliant on listening stations picking up the signal and maybe in that part of the world, flightradar24 has a listening user closer to the coast and able to receive for longer?
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Originally posted by sjwk View PostFor that matter, can the ACARS be easily disabled to prevent it from transmitting data? The radio can obviously be disabled (or just not used), you can presumably change the transponder code easily, you could hypothetically fly below radar. But is the ACARS transmitter always on?
As I understand it, flightaware uses ACARS transmissions to track planes, does flightradar24 do likewise? Just pondering the discrepancy whereby flightaware's tracking appears to stop whilst still above land, yet flightradar24 continues out into the sea for a good 10 minutes further. My assumption is that both do use ACARS but are reliant on listening stations picking up the signal and maybe in that part of the world, flightradar24 has a listening user closer to the coast and able to receive for longer?
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Interesting. So could the flightaware data stopping earlier (assuming the screenshot posted earlier in the thread shows the end of signal and the site doesn't filter out the last 5 minutes or something?) be an indication that something was up with the ACARS transmissions before any incident occurred? Whether that 'something' is failure or tampering?
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Originally posted by sjwk View PostInteresting. So could the flightaware data stopping earlier (assuming the screenshot posted earlier in the thread shows the end of signal and the site doesn't filter out the last 5 minutes or something?) be an indication that something was up with the ACARS transmissions before any incident occurred? Whether that 'something' is failure or tampering?
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostBut why would business corruption prevent us from knowing what happened o the aircraft, once the data recorders are recovered?
This happened in a region where corruption rules and there are a lot of competing interests (including Boeing) along with a dose of hostility between a few of the governments in the area. I'm inclined to believe what the NTSB comes up with above all but I'm not totally sure they are even beyond reproach as it relates to the politics in this region. I'll take off the tin-foil hat now.
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Originally posted by sjwk View PostFor that matter, can the ACARS be easily disabled to prevent it from transmitting data? The radio can obviously be disabled (or just not used), you can presumably change the transponder code easily, you could hypothetically fly below radar. But is the ACARS transmitter always on?
As I understand it, flightaware uses ACARS transmissions to track planes, does flightradar24 do likewise? Just pondering the discrepancy whereby flightaware's tracking appears to stop whilst still above land, yet flightradar24 continues out into the sea for a good 10 minutes further. My assumption is that both do use ACARS but are reliant on listening stations picking up the signal and maybe in that part of the world, flightradar24 has a listening user closer to the coast and able to receive for longer?A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....
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Originally posted by sjwk View PostFor that matter, can the ACARS be easily disabled to prevent it from transmitting data? The radio can obviously be disabled (or just not used), you can presumably change the transponder code easily, you could hypothetically fly below radar. But is the ACARS transmitter always on?
As I understand it, flightaware uses ACARS transmissions to track planes, does flightradar24 do likewise?
ACARS is not useful to track a plane's trajectory because it is event-based. It's the airplane who relies information about certain events.
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Originally posted by Passion for flying View PostCan anyone say whether the ACARS transmitting device may be MELd?
AFAIK, airplanes don't even need to have ACARS to be certified.
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