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  • Only 1 plausible scenario

    Based on the flightradar24 data I concluded the following: The plane disintegrated. The reason for this is as follows:

    1) The flightradar data had per minute information. There was no descend of any sort visible at the time of disappearance. This means the plane's ability to be tracked ended abruptly. no time for descent and for larger pieces to be tracked by passive radars.

    2) The lack of debris indicates that debris of the plane broke up into small enough pieces to be missed by passive radar. This is actually quite a frightening thought. What can pulverise an airplane? The fact that nothing "large" is found yet can only indicate this was a huge event.

    3) No mayday/distress and loss of comms.

    The mysteries:
    - Why can't the locator beacons of the black boxes be picked up around the last known location?
    - Why can't even small pieces of debris be located around the perimeter of last known location?
    - If there is a cover-up. why?
    - How can technology that is designed to keep track, loose track?
    - How can a large populated area of vessels not notice either an explotion or debris falling from the sky.
    - Can an airplane dip below radar signals in such a short time to fly underneath it to another location?

    So the plane either catastrophically disintegrated into so man pieces that the scattering is very broad, or there is a dark sinister piece of information we are not aware of. but it cannot be possible to loose a plane when all the location data is available. Frustrating to say the least.

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    • Originally posted by starchyme View Post
      Based on the flightradar24 data I concluded the following: The plane disintegrated. The reason for this is as follows:

      1) The flightradar data had per minute information.
      Is this always 'per minute info'? Could some knowledgeable person confirm / rule out?


      Originally posted by starchyme View Post
      There was no descend of any sort visible at the time of disappearance. This means the plane's ability to be tracked ended abruptly. no time for descent and for larger pieces to be tracked by passive radars.
      But isn't this at least partially contradictory to the military (?) radar information about it as stated that just before the disappearance the aircraft performed (?) a turn back in flight-path?

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      • Originally posted by starchyme View Post
        Based on the flightradar24 data I concluded the following: The plane disintegrated. The reason for this is as follows:

        1) The flightradar data had per minute information. There was no descend of any sort visible at the time of disappearance. This means the plane's ability to be tracked ended abruptly. no time for descent and for larger pieces to be tracked by passive radars.

        2) The lack of debris indicates that debris of the plane broke up into small enough pieces to be missed by passive radar. This is actually quite a frightening thought. What can pulverise an airplane? The fact that nothing "large" is found yet can only indicate this was a huge event.

        3) No mayday/distress and loss of comms.

        The mysteries:
        - Why can't the locator beacons of the black boxes be picked up around the last known location?
        - Why can't even small pieces of debris be located around the perimeter of last known location?
        - If there is a cover-up. why?
        - How can technology that is designed to keep track, loose track?
        - How can a large populated area of vessels not notice either an explotion or debris falling from the sky.
        - Can an airplane dip below radar signals in such a short time to fly underneath it to another location?

        So the plane either catastrophically disintegrated into so man pieces that the scattering is very broad, or there is a dark sinister piece of information we are not aware of. but it cannot be possible to loose a plane when all the location data is available. Frustrating to say the least.
        According to post # 169 this is rather unlikely. Do you think an explosion over the sky would have been completely unnoted?
        Ciao,
        Jason

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        • Originally posted by Jason View Post
          According to post # 169 this is rather unlikely. Do you think an explosion over the sky would have been completely unnoted?
          I remember a comment in the news on Saturday that no flash in the sky was recognized by (military) surveillance satellites specialized in this task.

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          • Originally posted by starchyme View Post
            Based on the flightradar24 data I concluded the following: The plane disintegrated. The reason for this is as follows:

            1) The flightradar data had per minute information. There was no descend of any sort visible at the time of disappearance. This means the plane's ability to be tracked ended abruptly. no time for descent and for larger pieces to be tracked by passive radars.

            2) The lack of debris indicates that debris of the plane broke up into small enough pieces to be missed by passive radar. This is actually quite a frightening thought. What can pulverise an airplane? The fact that nothing "large" is found yet can only indicate this was a huge event.

            3) No mayday/distress and loss of comms.

            The mysteries:
            - Why can't the locator beacons of the black boxes be picked up around the last known location?
            - Why can't even small pieces of debris be located around the perimeter of last known location?
            - If there is a cover-up. why?
            - How can technology that is designed to keep track, loose track?
            - How can a large populated area of vessels not notice either an explotion or debris falling from the sky.
            - Can an airplane dip below radar signals in such a short time to fly underneath it to another location?

            So the plane either catastrophically disintegrated into so man pieces that the scattering is very broad, or there is a dark sinister piece of information we are not aware of. but it cannot be possible to loose a plane when all the location data is available. Frustrating to say the least.
            What can pulverize an airplane in the air? Nothing that I know of. AFAIK, never in history a plane was pulverized in the air without big chunks remaining.

            There is a big contradiction here.

            If there was a sudden event that destroyed the plane, debris should be very very close to the point of loss of radar contact and should have been already found.

            If something else happened that moved the plane away from the point of loss of contact, the pilot should have been able to make a distress call or at least the plane should have been tracked by the primary radar at least as it descended to a very low altitude below radar coverage.

            And yet, they are searching the plane in places as far as 114 NM North of the last known position and the Malacca Strait in the other direction.

            I really don't understand. I am starting to suspect that we are not getting all the info. Either the primary radar capability is not what they reported or they tracked the descent of the plane and they are withholding the details of such descent.

            If the plane went below radar coverage under control, then it can be thousands of NM away of the point of loss of contact. If it crashed so far, it will only be found when somebody finds debris by chance (a mercant ship, debris washed to a shore, etc.)

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            • Update from AvHerald on the "door" spotted from the air:

              n the night of Mar 9th 2014 Vietnam's Search and Rescue Control Center released a photo of a part floating in the Gulf of Thailand, that despite darkness was discovered by a Twin Otter Aircraft of Vietnam's Coast Guard at position N8.792 E103.374 about 31nm southsouthwest of Tho Chu (editorial note: 114nm north of the last radar contact position) and is believed to be a part of the aircraft. The Control Center stated, the part is definitely made of composite material. Forces will be dispatched to the part after daybreak Mar 10th 2014. Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation said later that this part is unrelated to MH-370, it was not recovered.
              Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation

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              • CNN: Oil slick testing came back as 'bunker oil'
                AirDisaster.com Forum Member 2004-2008

                Originally posted by orangehuggy
                the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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                • This could be it:

                  Originally posted by AVHerald
                  Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City in the South China Sea, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

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                  • Originally posted by eTang View Post
                    Is this always 'per minute info'? Could some knowledgeable person confirm / rule out?



                    But isn't this at least partially contradictory to the military (?) radar information about it as stated that just before the disappearance the aircraft performed (?) a turn back in flight-path?
                    For info: On the playback video I watched is was per minute tracking it seemed.

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                    • Originally posted by B52STRATO View Post
                      And "U-Tapao" would had intercepted an emergency call, but they don't mentioned if it was Pattaya APT or the Naval Air Base.

                      Edit: U-Tapao NAB



                      Baddly online traduced : "In addition, the U.S. Embassy said the 2:43 U.S. military bases stationed in Thailand U-Tapao SOS signal was listening to some of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 emergency call, said the aircraft cabin facing disintegration driver call, they want a forced landing."
                      so, i'm wondering if this was total BS. no other news source reported this afaik. so either it was BS to begin with or there is a cover-up in the works.

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                      • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        This could be it:
                        There is a little more in there:
                        Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation


                        Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

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                        --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                        • Le fioul prélevé en mer sur une nappe dérivant au large de la Malaisie n'appartient pas au Boeing 777 de la Malaysia Airlines qui a disparu samedi, ont révélé aujourd'hui les analyses."Ce carburant n'...


                          Faridah Shuib, spokeman for Malaysia Marine Police stated that samples collected from the area where fuel spillage had been spotted were from marine fuel, not kerosene

                          This trail is cold

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                          • Photo of Possible debris field from AvHerald

                            The field of debris spotted from the air on Mar 10th 2014:

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                            • Originally posted by BlueMax View Post
                              The field of debris spotted from the air on Mar 10th 2014:
                              What do the experts think, does the debris field in avherald look like jet fuel? I know several pointed out the previous oil slick was not jet a, just from picture. Does this look like it could be it?

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                              • If the latest debris field is it, then it means the aircraft ducked underneath all radards, and then crashed several nm from the last known position. This would be as bizarre as the current specualtions. Hoping this mystery can be solved soon.

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