i wasnt lying about the door....just going off what i saw on the news.....
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This is absolutely left field speculation.
Let's imagine that the reason why no debris is found floating in the water near the zone where the contact was lost is because there is none.
This would mean either that:
a- The plane kept flying at least for a good while and is far from the point of last contact.
b- The plane is submerged in one piece near the point of last contact, and hence everything is submerged.
c- I can't think of a c.
And a and b have a lot of drawbacks.
a- Why no primary radar track? Why no mayday call? If they were hijacked, where would they go in the night? No airport received it, and an off-field landing at night is unthinkable. The closest I can think is a hijack, that went wrong and ended in a crash at a later time. Still missing the radar track.
b- What chain of event can lead to an airliner ditching smooth enough to remain in one piece but prevent any distress calls and that at least some people abandon the plane? I can't think of one.
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Here's something that might be relevant in combination with the two stolen passports and the connecting flights out of PEK: Citizens of the European Union can get a 72-hrs visa-free transit in The People's Republic of China, which means Chinese authorities wouldn't check them beforehand, and the airline wouldn't ask for a visa when trying to board on an EU passport and a ticket with an onward connection out of PEK.
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Originally posted by Passion for flying View PostAt the back of my mind there´s a question; maybe it did not end up in the water at all-? Just a silly thought I guess-
- on the ground [likely]
- in the skies [although I can't exclude the existence of extra-terrestrials I would not assume that 'they' did this]
But if it should be on the ground: wouldn't it be unlikely they would have made it so far back without being able to send a distress signal? I mean: in the case of a technical error, not in the case of a hijacking. As in the case of a hijacking that steep descent is again very unlikely. (thanks for theearlier insights on this, folks)
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostHere's something that might be relevant in combination with the two stolen passports and the connecting flights out of PEK: Citizens of the European Union can get a 72-hrs visa-free transit in The People's Republic of China, which means Chinese authorities wouldn't check them beforehand, and the airline wouldn't ask for a visa when trying to board on an EU passport and a ticket with an onward connection out of PEK.
- if they would have wanted to enter China without visa they would not have downed the plane
- if they would have wanted to board a plane to Europe without visa they would not have downed the plane
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Since we are all happily or not so happily speculating, here are my attempts:
a) A big explosion / bomb - TWA 800- or Lockerbie-style.
b) Complete electrical failure, accounting for the lack of communications as well as secondary radar returns. Question here is: why no primary radar return? But then again - was such a system available and in operation for the area of the presumed crash?
c) Pilot suicide. That might account for the "trying to return" speculation, as well as the loss of radar returns if the plane breaks up during the dive.
In all these scenarios, the stolen passports are a coincidence, except for a) and they were suicide bombers.Last edited by Peter Kesternich; 2014-03-09, 17:24.
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Originally posted by eTang View PostAssuming that those 2 unidentified persons traveling on stolen/fake passports were the cause for the crashing of the plane and concerning your comment:
- if they would have wanted to enter China without visa they would not have downed the plane
- if they would have wanted to board a plane to Europe without visa they would not have downed the plane
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostMaybe they just wanted to down the plane and didn't want to be investigated beforehand. But then again - see my previous post - the stolen password puzzle might not have anything to do with the crash.
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According to a Dutch news-website: the two stolen passport (austrian and italian) were registered in a database of stolen travel documents. But that database had never been interrogated, also not when they boarded the plane.
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostSince we are all happily or not so happily speculating, here are my attempts:
a) A big explosion / bomb - TWA 800- or Lockerbie-style.
b) Complete electrical failure, accounting for the lack of communications as well as secondary radar returns. Question here is: why no primary radar return? But then again - was such a system available and in operation for the area of the presumed crash?
c) Pilot suicide. That might account for the "trying to return" speculation, as well as the loss of radar returns if the plane breaks up during the dive.
To compare, AF447 was not within radar contact, so they only knew the last reported position. And still they found the first debris how much later?
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Adding up, Gabriel: same strange route!
Why would they flight KUL-PEK-AMS-xxx (w/o stopover) instead of KUL-AMS-xxx? Both Malaysian Airlines and KLM have direct flights from KL to Amsterdam.
I mean: going through PEK is not just a minor detour! If those pax were just airtravel fanatics for the fun of flying as many routes possible ... but then: *both* on stolen passports - very unlikely!
It'll be interesting to see what pans out with the other two mysterious documentation holders that have apparently surfaced as well. Similar pattern? Sequentially numbered tickets also with final destinations in EU countries? Al Qaada has done this in the past. Is this related to the plane crash? Too soon to tell. Stolen passports aren't uncommon, tens of millions in a data base though interesting both were reported stolen in the same country within a window of time both in the not so recent past but in closer duration to each other. I understand Interpol is critical of airlines failing to check data bases on stolen passports. Regardless of what happens in this case, I think and hope the airlines do step up and taken notice of this resource.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
a) A big explosion / bomb - TWA 800- or Lockerbie-style.
b) Complete electrical failure, accounting for the lack of communications as well as secondary radar returns.
c) Pilot suicide. That might account for the "trying to return" speculation, as well as the loss of radar returns if the plane breaks up during the dive.
To compare, AF447 was not within radar contact, so they only knew the last reported position. And still they found the first debris how much later?
I don't think it was a hijacking, a technical problem or an alien abduction. I guess when it gets light again in the area, debris will be found. This is not the Bermuda triangle.Last edited by Peter Kesternich; 2014-03-09, 17:42.
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Originally posted by MairzyDotes View PostMy guess? They needed the reservations set to book the Malaysian Flight to China without needing to apply to China's embassy/consulate to get a visa into the country. The flights are within a day of the MA flight that went down. My guess would be that either 1) they wanted to get into China w/o a Visa and would simply not show up for the European flights or 2) they wanted to book and board the MA flight without a China visa.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThis is absolutely left field speculation.
Let's imagine that the reason why no debris is found floating in the water near the zone where the contact was lost is because there is none.
This would mean either that:
a- The plane kept flying at least for a good while and is far from the point of last contact.
b- The plane is submerged in one piece near the point of last contact, and hence everything is submerged.
c- I can't think of a c.
And a and b have a lot of drawbacks.
a- Why no primary radar track? Why no mayday call? If they were hijacked, where would they go in the night? No airport received it, and an off-field landing at night is unthinkable. The closest I can think is a hijack, that went wrong and ended in a crash at a later time. Still missing the radar track.
b- What chain of event can lead to an airliner ditching smooth enough to remain in one piece but prevent any distress calls and that at least some people abandon the plane? I can't think of one.
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