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    Default Emirates 777 crash-landed in Dubai

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36963112

    Flight EK521 from India to Dubai. Photos show a lot of smoke. Officials report all passengers evacuated and no injuries reported so far.

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    the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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    Evan, Gabriel, 3WE, Boeing Bobby. Ready ? OK then....On your marks....get set.....GOooooooo

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    Looks a kind of wheels up, some of them at least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT-5ATj4jHI
    If it is true that they all got out unscathed its a miracle. Lets hope so.

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    Sad day for Emirates, though no doubt much relief that no lives were lost.

    Its first hull loss in 31 years of operations. There are, as is always the case so early on, many different theories as to what happened; windshear, fire on board and undercarriage collapse (none of these are mutually exclusive, of course).

    How much info the UAE authorities will release is another issue. You might recall the UPS 744F that crashed a few years back - there was VERY little in the local media about it.

    Sad end for A6-EMW - delivered 28/3/03 - thirteen years in service; one of the small sub-fleet of non-ER 777-300s.

    http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/7252475

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    seems it attempted a go around but didnt climb so landed wheels up and caught fire.....i dont know the lowest point a plane can try to climb from but sounds like they got it wrong.....everybody ok.....fantastic stuff that part

    http://avherald.com/h?article=49c12302&opt=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quench View Post
    Looks a kind of wheels up, some of them at least.
    avherald being exceedingly slow and unrespsonsive at the moment, but I think what I read there was that the plane called for a go-around on approach at low altitude, retracted gear but didn't climb and touched down with wheels up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avherald
    An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration A6-EMW performing flight EK-521 from Thiruvananthapuram (India) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) with 275 people on board, was on final approach to Dubai's runway 12L at 12:41L (08:41Z) but attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames. All occupants evacuated safely, no injuries are being reported. The aircraft burned down completely.

    According to ATC recordings the aircraft performed a normal approach and landing, there was no priority or emergency declared. Upon contacting tower tower reminded the crew of lowering the gear and cleared the aircraft to land. Another approach reported on tower frequency. About 2 minutes after EK-521 reported on tower, the crew reported going around, tower instructed the aircraft to climb to 4000 feet, the crew acknowledged climbing to 4000 feet, a few seconds later tower instructs the next arrival to go around and alerts emergency services. The position of the aircraft is described near the end of the runway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw999 View Post
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    If this turns out to be gear retraction before positive rate, it reminds me of this AirCal crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongmng View Post
    If this turns out to be gear retraction before positive rate, it reminds me of this AirCal crash.
    I would be VERY surprised if an Emirates crew made that kind of error. But then again these human factors always surprise me.

    A more likely pilot error would be initiating a go-around AFTER touching down with the TO/GA switches and failing to advance the thrust levers manually.

    There was a witness report from an alleged pilot that they first touched down hard and then initated a go-around, becoming airborne again but failing to climb out before sinking back onto the runway. If that first hard TD damaged the gear perhaps it collapsed on the second hard TD (which was apparently hard enough for the #2 engine pylon to fail!).

    IF that report is accurate and the GA was initiated AFTER entering ground mode, the pilot would have to advance the thrust levers manually (if the GA was initiated BEFORE the touchdown, then, even if the plane subsequently touches down, the TO/GA switches will still do the job automatically).

    So, in that case, it becomes a question of when the TO/GA switches were pushed.

    Another thought is that the first hard TD may have involved an engine strike that damaged the engine and/or #2 pylon enough to cause a loss of that engine and the GA was being done on the remaining engine. With the weather stats being hot and high (including possible windshear or tailwind) it may have been a performance issue and not pilot error at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avherald
    Upon contacting tower tower reminded the crew of lowering the gear and cleared the aircraft to land
    Is that sort of 'reminder' normal, or does it imply the tower could see the gear wasn't down, and either it hadn't lowered fully in time, or there was a fault with the gear hence go around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjwk View Post
    Is that sort of 'reminder' normal, or does it imply the tower could see the gear wasn't down, and either it hadn't lowered fully in time, or there was a fault with the gear hence go around?


    "Check gear down" is normal in the USA for ATC to tell military aircraft as they are cleared to land. Not sure if it's part of a normal procedure for civilian aircraft in Dubai.

    If there was a known fault with the gear, wouldn't the go around have been much earlier?

    On a slightly unrelated note, this video of an Emirates 777 shows gear retraction very late into the go around.

    Salute and condolences to the firefighter who died.

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    Unbelievable that passengers were not killed when you see the video of the 'evacuation' where most passengers queued up to get their luggage from the overhead bins before queuing to get out, presumably because the exits and slides were clogged up by people trying to get out with huge bits of hand luggage. Madness!

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    Unbelievable that passengers were not killed when you see the video of the 'evacuation' where most passengers queued up to get their luggage from the overhead bins before queuing to get out, presumably because the exits and slides were clogged up by people trying to get out with huge bits of hand luggage. Madness!
    Yup.. idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangehuggy View Post
    the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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    Glad everyone is safe. I once had an interesting experience on a QF 747 where the gear collapsed while we were queuing for takeoff... at FCO.

    It's not showing up on ASN but here it is.

    I would be interested to know the Registration number of that particular a/c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangehuggy View Post
    the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongmng View Post
    "Check gear down" is normal in the USA for ATC to tell military aircraft as they are cleared to land. Not sure if it's part of a normal procedure for civilian aircraft in Dubai.

    If there was a known fault with the gear, wouldn't the go around have been much earlier?

    On a slightly unrelated note, this video of an Emirates 777 shows gear retraction very late into the go around.

    Salute and condolences to the firefighter who died.

    No ground prox computer?

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    Emirates CEO has confirmed that a firefighter who responded has died following the fire.



    https://twitter.com/AP/status/760866094701772800

    I'm actually really angry about this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangehuggy View Post
    the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bond View Post
    There are videos from inside a/c of people trying to get their CO luggage out, and of pax walking away from a/c many with roller bags etc.

    I've harped on this before but it really pisses me off this behavior. And I say again, in a situation like that if I were ever to be in it - and there is someone between me (or others) and the door - who is not evacing but instead dicking with their roller bag and overhead bin, I WILL climb crawl whatever necessary over them and walk right over them to exit.

    Their roller bag vs. My life. My life wins that argument every time, as does that of those behind me. So either get out, get out of the way, or be prepared to go down. If the plane blows up (as this one partially did) after we walk over you, and you are stuck - well thats your problem.

    Talk to the roller bag you so desperately needed.


    {this is in response to the comment about those getting luggage and not getting out - and NOT a remark towards or directed at James Bond in any way}

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    The aviation herald article states the final resting spot at the END of the runway. This is unusual for a gear collapse/hard landing incident, in which the aircraft skids to a stop very quickly.

    The fact that it ended up so far down the runway makes me believe maybe they were airborne for a time after commencing the failed go around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obmot View Post
    There are videos from inside a/c of people trying to get their CO luggage out, and of pax walking away from a/c many with roller bags etc.

    I've harped on this before but it really pisses me off this behavior. And I say again, in a situation like that if I were ever to be in it - and there is someone between me (or others) and the door - who is not evacing but instead dicking with their roller bag and overhead bin, I WILL climb crawl whatever necessary over them and walk right over them to exit.

    Their roller bag vs. My life. My life wins that argument every time, as does that of those behind me. So either get out, get out of the way, or be prepared to go down. If the plane blows up (as this one partially did) after we walk over you, and you are stuck - well thats your problem.

    Talk to the roller bag you so desperately needed.


    {this is in response to the comment about those getting luggage and not getting out - and NOT a remark towards or directed at James Bond in any way}
    Fully agree with this. That's why I'm angry - The firefighter that died might have been placed in unnecessary danger by the pax taking their time with their luggage

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ighter-8553934
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    the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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