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    I agree that it probably would have been better not the give the names her in public forum but via PM. Otherwise there really is something that needs to be done about linking JP pictures in lot's of FB pages to rease the views. Sorry to say it and wouldn't offend anyone but i personally expect awesome pictures as a topshot, not a regular British Airways A380. It happened many times that the pictures which in mine opinion look awesome don't make it to the frontpage.

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    As long as photos are promoted based on human interactions, be it views, likes, shares, etc., we will unfortunately always have a massive amount of manipulations, as seen by the regular photos ending as top shots, just because they are linked in a great variety of virtual social groups. I often keep wondering, what that fuss about hits is ... why are some people so keen to get a maximum amount of views? I can't understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barcajax View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn1979 View Post
    I agree that it probably would have been better not the give the names her in public forum but via PM. Otherwise there really is something that needs to be done about linking JP pictures in lot's of FB pages to rease the views. Sorry to say it and wouldn't offend anyone but i personally expect awesome pictures as a topshot, not a regular British Airways A380. It happened many times that the pictures which in mine opinion look awesome don't make it to the frontpage.
    The views for that particular shot really aren't that excessive. It is the main photo for G-XLEG on FR24, so 656 views in two days is not unreasonable.

    The problem with Facebook groups is, where do we draw the line? Posting the photo on six groups with 250 members is no different to positing it on your personal account with 1,500 friends. The issue with have, in some cases, is uploaders posting links elsewhere with false headlines such as "Boeing 747-800 crashes on landing" for a standard approach shot.

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    I see no problem about sharing a pic on FB, on your page - It's true that when someones makes a linking post to JP on FB, and then shares that post on numerous groups (yes sharing to 20+ groups is really A LOT) it gives a huge amount of views that can be considered a non very fair play - I always say that if you're not looking for views, then you just post the pics directly on FB, not the JP link but that's just my personal point of view...
    And yes I agree, it's really hard for me to understand how views can be THAT important for some of us...
    We are a bit far from the original topic but it's good to have the opinions coming up about an issue that we've been discussing a lot among the crew...

    Alex

    PS : And yes, putting names up like that was really rude, that's why I contacted Fablee to give him the right to answer here

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    Okay, sorry from my side for giving the names public, was not thinking about that after a screener asked me the names!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fablee View Post
    Indeed I do have a Facebook page where I share All my aviation photographs including those I upload to Jetphotos. I do share All of my photos on FB groups including those I upload to Jetphotos. The general intent is to share with everyone including those that do not visit Jetphotos. I joined Jetphotos more then ten years ago out of the same intent to share in a then Facebookless era. In this time and age, I dont think this practice of sharing photos on FB is manifestly rare or criminal.

    Personally I find it ludicrous to label the practice of sharing my JP photos on Facebook as cheating.
    Sorry Fablee but do the maths. Literally every single image you link across many facebook groups ends up top of the last 24 hours which will further inflate your images viewing stats. Many people will have various opinions on the matter but personally I see it as unethical and excessive. Of course you are not the only person who does it, but the scale on which you do it could perhaps be considered to be pushing the boundaries. Like it or not, the consequences of your actions means other worthy images do not get the coverage they might deserve if your images are occupying the top shots of the last 24 hours which perhaps only got there due to your excessive linking.

    Sometimes the idea is bounced around among crew members about getting rid of the public viewing stats for each image. Perhaps it would be a good idea...

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    A little bit off topic but is this enormous number of views at the following pic also caused by FB sharing?
    More than 230k for a prop...

    http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/8398194

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    A little bit off topic but is this enormous number of views at the following pic also caused by FB sharing?
    More than 230k for a prop...

    http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/8398194
    We have no idea but it's most probably a bug - We're investigating right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    A little bit off topic but is this enormous number of views at the following pic also caused by FB sharing?
    More than 230k for a prop...

    http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/8398194
    It appears that someone was using some kind of automated script (not sure why) and the script got stuck on this photo. The script for some reason got stuck requesting the photo many thousands of times. We are looking to see if we can change the number of views for this photo into a more accurate figure.
    Last edited by laurencefr24; 10-13-2016 at 12:04 PM.

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    Dear Crew, please be aware of the fact, that EXIF data can be manipulated before upload to show incorrect data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stawka View Post
    Dear Crew, please be aware of the fact, that EXIF data can be manipulated before upload to show incorrect data.
    Hello,
    Thanks for that. Yes we know it and we also have other ways to check if a certain plane was at a given place at that date

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    Any conclusion about sharing images on facebook? I occasionally post images (maybe 1 out of 30 accepted) in ONE group (Facebook page of airport friends) but I always thought this is fine since there is even a facebook sharing button implemented.
    If this is considered as bad practice I would suggest to mention this on the upload page as people rather read important information there.

    PS: Are there seriously people posting images in 20 facebook groups? Who has the time for such a nonsense?

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    Believe me... there is a bunch of people literally uploading everything and share everywhere they can...

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    At the risk of igniting a fire (sorry) can someone explain what this thread is about? What is "date cheating" and in what way does changing a date affect views?? (Genuine question)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tartanpics View Post
    At the risk of igniting a fire (sorry) can someone explain what this thread is about? What is "date cheating" and in what way does changing a date affect views?? (Genuine question)
    Since Flight Radar 24 took over at the old Jetphotos.net (Now Jetphotos.com) and used our database as a source for images to show on their tracking icons we have been inundated with people giving false dates in order to get their image used by FR24. Failing that, they were uploading with the correct date and then changing it once it has been accepted. This is because FR24 use the latest images by date uploaded.
    It is really sad that cheats do this and I have to question their sad, muppet motives. They deny the people who upload properly from getting their images used by FR24.

    I personally hate such actions and view them as nothing less than stealing. As such, I and my crew colleagues have a zero tolerance to such activities. We have several means at our disposal to check dates and I personally do not hesitate to ban the photographer concerned permanently and delete their portfolio when we catch them out. If you or indeed anyone else notice someone doing this with dates then please tell us about it with links to pictures concerned. You are not "Grassing them up", you are keeping the database honest. Anyone giving us such information will remain unidentified and safe from any retribution.

    To those who would consider cheating, we don't need an EXIF which you might delete or change in order to cheat us. We have other means of identifying the location of a particular aircraft accurate to within a few minutes.
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    Thanks Brian, so, someone could have a shot of an aircraft in the JP database say added 5 years ago, they could go into that photo and change the date to todays date and hence FR24 will automatically choose that shot?? Yeah thats a bit sad really, had no idea that this could happen.. agree wholeheartedly. Personally i love it when one of my shots gets on the FR24 image for that aircraft, but, would'nt resort to cheating to get it there... closest i came i guess to cheating was once i made the Hekla Aurora Icelandair 757 for a few days on FR24, i wanted to try get it again so took a whole new shot and uploaded it to JP and took my chances.
    Thanks again.

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    Hello, here we go again....how is it possible that this latest pic have 377 views while it's just accepted??? The other pics all around the 20,30 views. I can't also see it on the FB page!! https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8537132

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    That is easy. Some people like to share the links to their photos on all possible social media platforms seconds after the pic being accepted. If you are on facebook and have joined some aviation photography groups, you will notice that some spam their accepted pics into the groups, often without a comment or anything.

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    Yes I saw that pic shared in many fb groups, I thought that it was forbidden for reaching top 4 shots or something like that. Almost every pic from him reached top 4, i remember that some photographers were banned after doing this.

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    Trouble is, we cannot police where photographers post their images.
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